If this is the case then were will RDP be by then with technologies like calista and others people are strapping on to it?
IMHO, and I know I could very much be wrong, but if Microsoft ends up buying Citrix to bock another from trying to buy one of their best friends then Microsoft will have ICA. If they then do what the EU and everyone else wants and that is open ICA then why need net2display?
Also, how does net2display work in the sense that the desktops, in VDI, support RDP today. Does this mean it will require native support for net2display or does this strap on top of rdp? (like ajax does http?). If it requires native support in the OS will we have to wait for Windows 7 for support in the Microsoft OS? If so we will never see it....
I don’t know... Oh Master of all things correct, Rick, can you please shed should light on this for us...
DB
On 6/7/08 1:26 PM, "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@thinclient.net> wrote:
Well keep in mind that this is a proposed VESA standard. Isn’t VESA the standard for things like VGA, screen resolutions, pinouts on monitors, etc? Note that Avocent was an author of this article. I think Net2display is going to be more of a remote KVM solution type solution rather than an optimized virtualization protocol. That is a good thing, but a little different that a software optimized virtualization protocol. Just my gut feel on this, could be FUD…..
Of course Rick would never post FUD, he is sanctified in the halls of Thin. I am just trying to get him to post more….!!!!
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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:03 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Pano VDI Solution
- Rick will never be one that is providing FUD. :) EVER... Although working for a vender can put blinders on, that is for sure. I learned that...
- I think it has the ability to be an amazing protocol but in order to get it to be anything more than yet another protocol I think it needs buy off from the big boys, Citrix, Microsoft, and even Vmware. Citrix would never want something like this. It hurts ICA and we all know ICA is still the keys to the kingdom. Microsoft might want it but then they usually want THEIR protocols to be the standard not someone else's.. ;) VMware is the interesting one. If Vmware was to switch from RDP to net2display then that would help...
No offence to Provision (Quest) but I don’t think that if they support it or companies like Pano support it are enough.. I could be wrong. This is just an idea...
Curious what others think...
The fact is we need a solution, the other fact is we need Microsoft to support it...... Or am I wrong that we need Microsoft to support it?
On 6/7/08 12:53 PM, "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@thinclient.net> wrote:
That is the paper I have seen as well. I think it is a great idea but an academic recommendation is still far away from a protocol that would displace RDP and ICA for remote connections!
This paper just basically says that we need to develop a new protocol that would allow ICA and RDP to support full motion video and other rich graphical applications. Uh, isn’t that what all of our discussions with MS and CTX have been about for years and their brightest minds, which make us look dim, are already working on???? Isn’t the shift to GPU based remoting what we say demos in the Geek Speak lab?
Did I miss something? Has Rick been reduced to providing FUD? Say it isn’t so, NO, it can’t be!!! J
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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:35 AM
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Subject: [THIN] Re: Pano VDI Solution
This looks like an interesting paper: http://www.ncl.cs.columbia.edu/publications/adeac2006_fordist.pdf
On 6/7/08 12:26 PM, "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@thinclient.net> wrote:
Rick,
I haven’t found any more detail information about Net2Display, do you have any links that might show an implementation or at least the planned feature set and performance characteristics?
Steve Greenberg
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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Rick Mack
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:21 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Pano VDI Solution
Hi Jim,
Panologic and also Teradici have a hardware remoting protocol that has completely transparent hardware (graphics, keyboard/mouse, USB etc) "redirection". This means that multimedia performance and just about everything else will be as good as on a PC, at least for LAN-based thin clients. The good news for hardware manufacturers is that the "back-end" systems are blade PCs.
The largest single drawback with a Panalogic/Teradici type solution is the hardware support required at both ends, and the fact that the protocol is proprietary.
Remote/WAN access is still going to be a problem with stuff like latency etc but that may very well be handled by the new VESA Net2Display protocol which will handle LAN clients as well. If Net2Display takes off, the relevance of RDP and ICA could become questionable. Since Teradici are heavily involved with Net2Display, it's probably a good guess that they will soon have Net2Display support in their hardware. That makes it non-proprietary and may well point to the future of thin clients.
regards,
Rick
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