[THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization

yes, you are correct..   I was around and I remember all that...  I had a compuserv account and I ran a BBS off a 1200 baud modem too.  Funny how slow that is today, you know...

 

and I agree there was a lot of p0rn on this sites back then but I just don't agree that is why people use them.  Yes, there are a lot of people that are interested in that back then but I think most people that knew about and have computers and logged in to those sites were computer guys and the other was just a perk.. (LOL)...   I mean, it was very expensive in those days... right?  go to the store and buy a mag vs. buying a 5k pc...

 

Today it is different.. 

 

But, Games is, IMHO, what moved the hardware and software forward like none other....

 

 

 

Douglas A. Brown

President and Chief Technology Officer

 

Microsoft MVP, Windows Server

Citrix Technology Professional

 

DABCC, Inc.

 

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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 4:35 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization

 

Doug were you around when it was Arpanet and then the usenet newsgroups were first being created.  I can tell you that the first public ones were not gaming ones.  I think there were about 100 alt.erotica ones. A lot of the ascii pictures that were first animated had nothiing to do with gaming. I ran a bbs back in the early 80's. I had thousands of files, "all types" with lots of games also.  I know what mostly got downloaded.

Jim

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Douglas Brown <dbrown@dabcc.com> wrote:

Oh Jim... I think there are support groups for this...   We are here for you... ;)

On 6/6/08 3:38 PM, "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@thinclient.net> wrote:

Jim, you seem to know an awful lot about the topic….  J




Steve Greenberg

Thin Client Computing

34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453

Scottsdale, AZ 85266

(602) 432-8649

www.thinclient.net <www.thinclient.net>

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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 12:23 PM
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Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization

Lol.
Well you know it is because of P-O-R-N that the computer industry has evolved like it did.  Chatting, Video, Pictures, virtual worlds, games, all would not be where they are now had it not been for it and it IS documented. Think about it Things like virtual girl existed long before second life.  The only thing video was used for was that, the most images I can remember being out there even when there were just BBS's were you got it.
Jim

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Steve Greenberg <steveg@thinclient.net> wrote:

Dana Carvey said to Mark and Wes during his stand up routine, "So what is this XEN Desktop thing? I get my desktop, now what the hell do I do? Ok (imitating a Nerd),  type P-O-R-N!!!"



Think about the Citrix message a "new desktop computer every time you boot up"… think about who needs that exactly??





Steve Greenberg

Thin Client Computing

34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453

Scottsdale, AZ 85266

(602) 432-8649

www.thinclient.net <http://www.thinclient.net>

steveg@thinclient.net

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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:50 AM


To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization

And?  What is it?

On 6/6/08 2:48 PM, "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@thinclient.net <http://steveg@thinclient.net> > wrote:

Oh crap, I just realized what the real killer app is for VDI……
 
Dana Carvey nailed it at  SYNERGY, seemed like a joke but I think it is right on the money !



Steve Greenberg

Thin Client Computing

34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453

Scottsdale, AZ 85266

(602) 432-8649

www.thinclient.net <http://www.thinclient.net>  <www.thinclient.net <http://www.thinclient.net> >

steveg@thinclient.net <http://steveg@thinclient.net>

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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org <http://thin-bounce@freelists.org> [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown

Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:32 AM

To: thin@freelists.org <http://thin@freelists.org>

Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization

 

I agree but only if they don't burry it in XenApp Plat or XenDesktop Plat.  It needs to be a separate product for people who might not want to use either XenApp or XenDesktop....

On 6/6/08 9:58 AM, "Joe Shonk" <joe.shonk@gmail.com <http://joe.shonk@gmail.com> > wrote:

Why also discuss PVS and if it should be part of XenApp Platinum ( I'm willing to give up Edgesight and Password Manager in exchange) and should Citrix fix their products or spend their money adding new features.
  

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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org <http://thin-bounce@freelists.org> [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig

Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 4:52 AM

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Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization

Speaking of Joe this is one of my favorite picturess I took from Synergy This is during Dougs Geek Speak session and is a picture of the front row.

http://picasaweb.google.com/jkenzig/CitrixGeekSpeakCTP/photo#5203201039049314546



From left to right Joe is the one Hovering standing next to Brad Stephens, who is Next to Mark Templeton who is next to Shawn Bass (who had just finished his VDI talk) Barry Flanagan, Jeroen Van De Kamp and Brian Madden are in there also.  Now use the right arrow and click over 2 pictures and see how fast Brian catches Marks ear. Click 2 more to the right and there is Grumpy Doug. And here is one of Steve, Joe and Doug  picking apart VDI at the CTP dinner http://picasaweb.google.com/jkenzig/CitrixGeekSpeakCTP/photo#5203201176488268290





Jim

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:55 AM, Steve Greenberg <steveg@thinclient.net <http://steveg@thinclient.net> > wrote:

This is a long standing debate between Joe and I . To me VDI, and most hypervisor virtualizations for that matter, are just not efficient enough. For applications that require remoting and certain kinds of processing I am sure there is a good match, i.e. stock traders, CAD engineers working at a distance, etc.

The case we are pondering more and more is where remoting is needed but the requirements to get the application set working in TS are highly complicated. These may not be highly specialized apps, but apps that just don't play well in TS. We have made some incredibly difficult apps work together on TS, but in the end you have a very complicated system that is hard to upgrade and change. So for certain organizations that have the skills to manage a PC but not a complex TS environment, VDI starts to become attractive.


One of our Bri-Forum sessions is called "Y-VDI" in which we will outline all the use cases we can think of that support VDI.

My main issues with VDI are lack of efficiency, i.e. a really big ass server might support 15-20 users, that completely sucks!!

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Jim Kenzig
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server Presentation and Hosted Desktop Virtualization
Citrix Technology Professional
Blog: http://www.techblink.com