I'll buy
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Sent: 27 February 2009 20:14
That is why I will be announcing my new product shortly, it is the new "killer app" called Anti-Anti Virus, designed to locate and eliminate anti-virus software from your system J
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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Steve Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:04 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: mcafee host intrusion prevention and terminal server
yep, I really only thought of it as the morning after I got a few "citrix is slow" calls. Granted, it was only a few calls but it's the first time that it's happened. I already hate mcafee enough that I trust nothing from them.
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Pat Coughlin <strangedog@gmail.com> wrote:
It costs 5-10 users per server per my estimates. Who is buying you
more hardware to replace the lost capicity? The worst part aside from
eating core for breakfast is that it gums up the network stack.
The HIPS sensor is not a good fit for anything production on the
server side from my tests.
Patrick Cioughlin
Citrix Goon
On 2/26/09, Steve Snyder <kwajalein@gmail.com> wrote:
> unfortunately it's going on every server.
>
> another case of "Ready, Fire! aim..."
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Pat Coughlin <strangedog@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hips is evil. It is a resourse hog on the desktop we tested. Put a
>> dedicated hips box on the same subnet if you must, but get that mess
>> off of your citrix box.
>>
>> Patrick Coughlin
>> Citrix Goon
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/25/09, Greg Reese <gareese@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I bet it was f'ing Pennington the turd.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Feb 25, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Steve Snyder <kwajalein@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> anyone using it? like it? hate it? caveats? known issues?
>> >>
>> >> basically it got pushed to my farm last night while users were
>> >> logged on and working and today I'm having some performance issues
>> >> affecting some users.
>> >>
>> >> Thought I'd see if there's any good/bad history before I go ask the
>> >> culprits "why'd you break my farm?!?"
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[THIN] Re: mcafee host intrusion prevention and terminal server
[THIN] Re: mcafee host intrusion prevention and terminal server
I’ll buy
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: 27 February 2009 20:14
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: mcafee host intrusion prevention and terminal server
That is why I will be announcing my new product shortly, it is the new “killer app” called Anti-Anti Virus, designed to locate and eliminate anti-virus software from your system J
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
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steveg@thinclient.net
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Steve Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:04 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: mcafee host intrusion prevention and terminal server
yep, I really only thought of it as the morning after I got a few "citrix is slow" calls. Granted, it was only a few calls but it's the first time that it's happened. I already hate mcafee enough that I trust nothing from them.
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Pat Coughlin <strangedog@gmail.com> wrote:
It costs 5-10 users per server per my estimates. Who is buying you
more hardware to replace the lost capicity? The worst part aside from
eating core for breakfast is that it gums up the network stack.
The HIPS sensor is not a good fit for anything production on the
server side from my tests.
Patrick Cioughlin
Citrix Goon
On 2/26/09, Steve Snyder <kwajalein@gmail.com> wrote:
> unfortunately it's going on every server.
>
> another case of "Ready, Fire! aim..."
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Pat Coughlin <strangedog@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hips is evil. It is a resourse hog on the desktop we tested. Put a
>> dedicated hips box on the same subnet if you must, but get that mess
>> off of your citrix box.
>>
>> Patrick Coughlin
>> Citrix Goon
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/25/09, Greg Reese <gareese@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I bet it was f'ing Pennington the turd.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Feb 25, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Steve Snyder <kwajalein@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> anyone using it? like it? hate it? caveats? known issues?
>> >>
>> >> basically it got pushed to my farm last night while users were
>> >> logged on and working and today I'm having some performance issues
>> >> affecting some users.
>> >>
>> >> Thought I'd see if there's any good/bad history before I go ask the
>> >> culprits "why'd you break my farm?!?"
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[THIN] Re: mcafee host intrusion prevention and terminal server
That is why I will be announcing my new product shortly, it is the new “killer app” called Anti-Anti Virus, designed to locate and eliminate anti-virus software from your system J
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N.
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steveg@thinclient.net
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Steve Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:04 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: mcafee host intrusion prevention and terminal server
yep, I really only thought of it as the morning after I got a few "citrix is slow" calls. Granted, it was only a few calls but it's the first time that it's happened. I already hate mcafee enough that I trust nothing from them.
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Pat Coughlin <strangedog@gmail.com> wrote:
It costs 5-10 users per server per my estimates. Who is buying you
more hardware to replace the lost capicity? The worst part aside from
eating core for breakfast is that it gums up the network stack.
The HIPS sensor is not a good fit for anything production on the
server side from my tests.
Patrick Cioughlin
Citrix Goon
On 2/26/09, Steve Snyder <kwajalein@gmail.com> wrote:
> unfortunately it's going on every server.
>
> another case of "Ready, Fire! aim..."
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Pat Coughlin <strangedog@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hips is evil. It is a resourse hog on the desktop we tested. Put a
>> dedicated hips box on the same subnet if you must, but get that mess
>> off of your citrix box.
>>
>> Patrick Coughlin
>> Citrix Goon
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/25/09, Greg Reese <gareese@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I bet it was f'ing Pennington the turd.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Feb 25, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Steve Snyder <kwajalein@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> anyone using it? like it? hate it? caveats? known issues?
>> >>
>> >> basically it got pushed to my farm last night while users were
>> >> logged on and working and today I'm having some performance issues
>> >> affecting some users.
>> >>
>> >> Thought I'd see if there's any good/bad history before I go ask the
>> >> culprits "why'd you break my farm?!?"
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[THIN] Re: mcafee host intrusion prevention and terminal server
It costs 5-10 users per server per my estimates. Who is buying you
more hardware to replace the lost capicity? The worst part aside from
eating core for breakfast is that it gums up the network stack.
The HIPS sensor is not a good fit for anything production on the
server side from my tests.
Patrick Cioughlin
Citrix Goon
On 2/26/09, Steve Snyder <kwajalein@gmail.com> wrote:
> unfortunately it's going on every server.
>
> another case of "Ready, Fire! aim..."
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Pat Coughlin <strangedog@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hips is evil. It is a resourse hog on the desktop we tested. Put a
>> dedicated hips box on the same subnet if you must, but get that mess
>> off of your citrix box.
>>
>> Patrick Coughlin
>> Citrix Goon
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/25/09, Greg Reese <gareese@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I bet it was f'ing Pennington the turd.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Feb 25, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Steve Snyder <kwajalein@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> anyone using it? like it? hate it? caveats? known issues?
>> >>
>> >> basically it got pushed to my farm last night while users were
>> >> logged on and working and today I'm having some performance issues
>> >> affecting some users.
>> >>
>> >> Thought I'd see if there's any good/bad history before I go ask the
>> >> culprits "why'd you break my farm?!?"
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[THIN] Re: mcafee host intrusion prevention and terminal server
more hardware to replace the lost capicity? The worst part aside from
eating core for breakfast is that it gums up the network stack.
The HIPS sensor is not a good fit for anything production on the
server side from my tests.
Patrick Cioughlin
Citrix Goon
On 2/26/09, Steve Snyder <kwajalein@gmail.com> wrote:
> unfortunately it's going on every server.
>
> another case of "Ready, Fire! aim..."
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Pat Coughlin <strangedog@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hips is evil. It is a resourse hog on the desktop we tested. Put a
>> dedicated hips box on the same subnet if you must, but get that mess
>> off of your citrix box.
>>
>> Patrick Coughlin
>> Citrix Goon
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/25/09, Greg Reese <gareese@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I bet it was f'ing Pennington the turd.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Feb 25, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Steve Snyder <kwajalein@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> anyone using it? like it? hate it? caveats? known issues?
>> >>
>> >> basically it got pushed to my farm last night while users were
>> >> logged on and working and today I'm having some performance issues
>> >> affecting some users.
>> >>
>> >> Thought I'd see if there's any good/bad history before I go ask the
>> >> culprits "why'd you break my farm?!?"
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Thursday, February 26, 2009
[THIN] Re: mcafee host intrusion prevention and terminal server
another case of "Ready, Fire! aim..."
Hips is evil. It is a resourse hog on the desktop we tested. Put a
dedicated hips box on the same subnet if you must, but get that mess
off of your citrix box.
Patrick Coughlin
Citrix Goon
On 2/25/09, Greg Reese <gareese@gmail.com> wrote:
> I bet it was f'ing Pennington the turd.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 25, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Steve Snyder <kwajalein@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> anyone using it? like it? hate it? caveats? known issues?
>>
>> basically it got pushed to my farm last night while users were
>> logged on and working and today I'm having some performance issues
>> affecting some users.
>>
>> Thought I'd see if there's any good/bad history before I go ask the
>> culprits "why'd you break my farm?!?"
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[THIN] Whats coming in XenApp 5 Feature Pack
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[THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
Sorry, should have read:
But then I heard that VECD could be purchased WITHOUT SA, but I haven’t gotten a confirmation on that.
Is it any surprise that MS licensing is confusing!!!???!?!
Steve Greenberg
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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:58 PM
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Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
But then I heard that VECD could be purchased with SA, but I haven’t gotten a confirmation on that.
Is it any surprise that MS licensing is confusing!!!???!?!
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Joe Shonk
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:37 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
“something you pay for to get free upgrades”…. Something doesn’t sound right about that statement… Anyways, some licenses (VECD for example) can only be purchased using Software Assurance and if you don’t pay your renewal then you are no longer entitled to use the product. Essentially, you are renting the product.
Joe
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Evan Mann
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:21 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
Eh? Software Assurance is something you pay for to get free upgrades to purchased products. Doesn’t have anything to do with licensing quantities.
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Joe Shonk
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:56 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
Microsoft has a different program call Software Assurance for that.
Joe
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Evan Mann
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:24 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
Does the SPLA and SAL thing work for a regular business who is just hosting systems for their own employees? Or Is it strictly for true hosting providers who provide services to paying customers.
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Nick Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:55 AM
To: 'thin@freelists.org'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
Yes it does, but the SPLA is on a SAL basis (SAL=CAL, sort of). If you have 10 users using your hosted systems, using W2K8, then you pay for 10 SALS *no matter how many servers you have*. So it is fine to have 6 file server, 2 dc, 2 dns, 20 ts, 4 hyper-v, and the W2K3/8 bit of those licences is all covered by the SAL cost.
Again, *if* you’re hosting MS apps, you *will* be paying the SAL cost in pretty much every case, which makes Hyper-V effectively free. If you’re running Linux it isn’t, clearly.
The 10 SALs, BTW, will cost ~$5/month – I have a UK price list so don’t take that as too rigid but gives a general idea.
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Wood
Sent: 25 February 2009 15:41
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Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
Because its only ‘free’ when you have an SPLA – and having an SPLA subjects you to a monthly charge doesn’t it?
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: 25 February 2009 14:35
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Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
Cool, I didn’t realize that….
So now that Hyper-V is effectively free why would someone choose that versus XEN?
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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:26 AM
To: 'thin@freelists.org'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
Microsoft’s SPLA – effectively a requirement if you’re hosting MS apps – has the side effect of making Hyper-V free for all practical purposes.
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Also consider that everyone says that the Microsoft Hyper-V is free, however, you still have to buy Windows server to get it!! In your cloud example there are MANY commercial cases where a hypervisor that is actually free will continue to make economic sense for a long time!!
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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Saunders
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:01 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
If you follow groups like http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/, you will definitely get the idea that XenSource is the dominating hypervisor within the “Cloud”. Of course Cloud means different things to different people. Not wanting to take Serguei’s comments out of context, but when he says “This will signal the eventual end of XEN”, that will only happen when marketing rebrand it J.
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:39 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
BTW, don’t forget that according to the press releases Xen is “Cloud Proven”, that is my new requirement for all products! J
Steve Greenberg
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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Greg Reese
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:29 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
yeah, i agree. some pretty strange stuff floating around out there.
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Jeremy Saunders <Jeremy.Saunders@datacom.com.au> wrote:
Some bizarre comments indeed. Everyone that’s blogged and commented on this has had some strong opinions. Some border on what could be ignorance, as hard as they try to put a positive spin on it for themselves.
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of gareese@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 11:38 PM
To: Thin
Subject: [THIN] Article: Parallels’ Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
Interesting read regarding some reaction to the announcement of free XenServer yesterday.
from Zdnet:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/virtualization/?p=726
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Wednesday, February 25, 2009
[THIN] Re: Windows 2008 TS Image Viewer
I am assuming the full acrobat 8 install is causing your issue with
session printing. The issue is a print driver. The PDF printer
function installs a postscript driver that likey overlaps one of your
session print drivers causing it to crash. Try installibg acrobat
without the printer feature.
Patrick Coughlin
Citrix Goon
On 2/16/09, Mark Oliver <mark.oliver@gen-i.co.nz> wrote:
> Sorry, Office 2007 Picture Manager
>
> As an aside, acrobat 8 breaks session printing. Once installed, no session
> printers are available, removed, they appear again. No errors in any logs.
>
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
> Of Greg Reese
> Sent: Monday, 16 February 2009 5:26 p.m.
> To: Thin
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Windows 2008 TS Image Viewer
>
> Office picture manager or office document imaging?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 15, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Mark Oliver
> <mark.oliver@gen-i.co.nz<mailto:mark.oliver@gen-i.co.nz>> wrote:
> Greetings
> What are you guys using in terms of image viewing in 2008 TS/XenApp
> environments.
>
> The default image viewer doesn't run & Office 2007 Picture Viewer wont
> initialize a print job.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Mark
>
>
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[THIN] Re: mcafee host intrusion prevention and terminal server
dedicated hips box on the same subnet if you must, but get that mess
off of your citrix box.
Patrick Coughlin
Citrix Goon
On 2/25/09, Greg Reese <gareese@gmail.com> wrote:
> I bet it was f'ing Pennington the turd.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 25, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Steve Snyder <kwajalein@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> anyone using it? like it? hate it? caveats? known issues?
>>
>> basically it got pushed to my farm last night while users were
>> logged on and working and today I'm having some performance issues
>> affecting some users.
>>
>> Thought I'd see if there's any good/bad history before I go ask the
>> culprits "why'd you break my farm?!?"
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[THIN] Re: mcafee host intrusion prevention and terminal server
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 25, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Steve Snyder <kwajalein@gmail.com> wrote:
> anyone using it? like it? hate it? caveats? known issues?
>
> basically it got pushed to my farm last night while users were
> logged on and working and today I'm having some performance issues
> affecting some users.
>
> Thought I'd see if there's any good/bad history before I go ask the
> culprits "why'd you break my farm?!?"
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[THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
But then I heard that VECD could be purchased with SA, but I haven’t gotten a confirmation on that.
Is it any surprise that MS licensing is confusing!!!???!?!
Steve Greenberg
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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Joe Shonk
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:37 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
“something you pay for to get free upgrades”…. Something doesn’t sound right about that statement… Anyways, some licenses (VECD for example) can only be purchased using Software Assurance and if you don’t pay your renewal then you are no longer entitled to use the product. Essentially, you are renting the product.
Joe
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Evan Mann
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:21 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
Eh? Software Assurance is something you pay for to get free upgrades to purchased products. Doesn’t have anything to do with licensing quantities.
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Joe Shonk
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:56 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
Microsoft has a different program call Software Assurance for that.
Joe
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Evan Mann
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:24 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
Does the SPLA and SAL thing work for a regular business who is just hosting systems for their own employees? Or Is it strictly for true hosting providers who provide services to paying customers.
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Nick Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:55 AM
To: 'thin@freelists.org'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
Yes it does, but the SPLA is on a SAL basis (SAL=CAL, sort of). If you have 10 users using your hosted systems, using W2K8, then you pay for 10 SALS *no matter how many servers you have*. So it is fine to have 6 file server, 2 dc, 2 dns, 20 ts, 4 hyper-v, and the W2K3/8 bit of those licences is all covered by the SAL cost.
Again, *if* you’re hosting MS apps, you *will* be paying the SAL cost in pretty much every case, which makes Hyper-V effectively free. If you’re running Linux it isn’t, clearly.
The 10 SALs, BTW, will cost ~$5/month – I have a UK price list so don’t take that as too rigid but gives a general idea.
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Wood
Sent: 25 February 2009 15:41
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
Because its only ‘free’ when you have an SPLA – and having an SPLA subjects you to a monthly charge doesn’t it?
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: 25 February 2009 14:35
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
Cool, I didn’t realize that….
So now that Hyper-V is effectively free why would someone choose that versus XEN?
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85266
(602) 432-8649
steveg@thinclient.net
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Nick Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:26 AM
To: 'thin@freelists.org'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
Microsoft’s SPLA – effectively a requirement if you’re hosting MS apps – has the side effect of making Hyper-V free for all practical purposes.
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Also consider that everyone says that the Microsoft Hyper-V is free, however, you still have to buy Windows server to get it!! In your cloud example there are MANY commercial cases where a hypervisor that is actually free will continue to make economic sense for a long time!!
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85266
(602) 432-8649
steveg@thinclient.net
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Saunders
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:01 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
If you follow groups like http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/, you will definitely get the idea that XenSource is the dominating hypervisor within the “Cloud”. Of course Cloud means different things to different people. Not wanting to take Serguei’s comments out of context, but when he says “This will signal the eventual end of XEN”, that will only happen when marketing rebrand it J.
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:39 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
BTW, don’t forget that according to the press releases Xen is “Cloud Proven”, that is my new requirement for all products! J
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85266
(602) 432-8649
steveg@thinclient.net
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Greg Reese
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:29 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
yeah, i agree. some pretty strange stuff floating around out there.
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Jeremy Saunders <Jeremy.Saunders@datacom.com.au> wrote:
Some bizarre comments indeed. Everyone that’s blogged and commented on this has had some strong opinions. Some border on what could be ignorance, as hard as they try to put a positive spin on it for themselves.
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of gareese@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 11:38 PM
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Subject: [THIN] Article: Parallels’ Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer
Interesting read regarding some reaction to the announcement of free XenServer yesterday.
from Zdnet:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/virtualization/?p=726
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