Saturday, March 7, 2009

[THIN] Re: Welcome to Reading layout popup

Hi Chris,
 
Office products store settings either in the registry or in .pip files (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/912721), or in .qat files (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd347467.aspx) and then there's the reg_binary stuff that you can't do with a group policy anyway unless you've got the DesktopStandard PolicyMaker Registry Extension 2.1. It's a free download and if you hunt around you should be able to find it. Otherwise drop me a line and I'll make it available via my ftp site.
 
 
But if you did want to turn off the reading layout it's not that easy and may need some scripting, eg:
 
You can use a couple of auto macros in your Normal template (or add the code to these macros if they already exist):

Sub AutoOpen()
Options.AllowReadingMode = False
End Sub

Sub AutoNew()
Options.AllowReadingMode = False
End Sub

For assistance, see
http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP

regards,
 
Rick
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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:04 AM, <christopher.walter@cgi.com> wrote:
Hey All,
 
Does anybody know the registry entry that stops the "Welcome to Reading Layout popup" from occurring when opening a Word attachment through Outlook?  I want the reading layout, just the popup removed.  I have tried process monitor and it didn't show the key that gets changed when clicking on the "Don't show this again button"  Since I am using mandatory profiles this popup appears again at next logon.
 
Thanks,
 
Chris
 

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[THIN] Re: older ICA clients on WI 5.0?

Gary,

Just a quick follow up. Which version of Presentation Server are you
running?
There is an issue with XenApp 5.0 on Windows 2008 using clients 10.2xx
and older.

Christoph

On Mar 6, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Gary Scanga wrote:

> Good tip- didn't even know that setting existed. I found that it is
> an option in v5.0 as well but, unfortunately for me, it is set to
> allow *all* client versions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org]
> On Behalf Of Christoph Wegener
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:01 PM
> To: thin@freelists.org
> Subject: [THIN] Re: older ICA clients on WI 5.0?
>
> In WI 4.x you had the option to disallow client version older than 8.x
> I don't know if this option is still there in WI 5.x but it would
> definitely be worth to check.
>
> Christoph
>
> On Mar 6, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Gary Scanga wrote:
>
>> These are thin client's that have a build on them which restricts
>> users from any write access. Thus, we'd need to script an ICA client
>> upgrade to all remote systems. I would assume that the Web Interface
>> systems are backwards-compatible with older ICA client versions- but
>> I can't find anything to validate that on Google, etc. And my
>> testing is also proving otherwise :-(
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org]
>> On Behalf Of Joe Shonk
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:37 PM
>> To: thin@freelists.org
>> Subject: [THIN] Re: older ICA clients on WI 5.0?
>>
>> Should be ok.. Why not make the XenApp 11 client available on the WI
>> 5.0 and
>> have them update their client?
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org]
>> On Behalf
>> Of Gary Scanga
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:25 PM
>> To: 'thin@freelists.org'
>> Subject: [THIN] older ICA clients on WI 5.0?
>>
>> I need to upgrade the Web Interface servers from version 4.0 to 5.0.
>> However, I found some clients out there that are running an older
>> version of
>> the ICA client (7.100.21825). Does anyone know if this older version
>> should
>> work on v5.0 Web Interface?
>>
>> My quick test showed me that it may not since launching a ICA
>> session did
>> nothing from one of these clients.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> --
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Friday, March 6, 2009

[THIN] Printer still going offline randomly after pse400w2k3r05

Our busiest printer kept going offline with the symptomns excatly described in PS4 R05, as per below
 

Printers might go off-line at random while print jobs are still pending.

[From PSE400W2K3R05][#178026]

 

Ive applied R05 but were still having the same problem. Basically it gets to about 70 jobs in the queue then goes offline. Has anyone had this issue and managed to fix it before I start thinking about the Native Driver ?

 

Thanks

 

Andy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Thursday, March 5, 2009

[THIN] Re: older ICA clients on WI 5.0?

That's not the default setting, so someone has obviously specifically
set that. Does the ICA session start at all?

Cheers,
Jeremy.

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Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:41 AM
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Subject: [THIN] Re: older ICA clients on WI 5.0?

Good tip- didn't even know that setting existed. I found that it is an
option in v5.0 as well but, unfortunately for me, it is set to allow
*all* client versions.

Thanks,

--
Gary

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Behalf Of Christoph Wegener
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:01 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: older ICA clients on WI 5.0?

In WI 4.x you had the option to disallow client version older than 8.x
I don't know if this option is still there in WI 5.x but it would
definitely be worth to check.

Christoph

On Mar 6, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Gary Scanga wrote:

> These are thin client's that have a build on them which restricts
> users from any write access. Thus, we'd need to script an ICA client
> upgrade to all remote systems. I would assume that the Web Interface
> systems are backwards-compatible with older ICA client versions- but
> I can't find anything to validate that on Google, etc. And my
> testing is also proving otherwise :-(
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Gary
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org]
> On Behalf Of Joe Shonk
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:37 PM
> To: thin@freelists.org
> Subject: [THIN] Re: older ICA clients on WI 5.0?
>
> Should be ok.. Why not make the XenApp 11 client available on the WI
> 5.0 and
> have them update their client?
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Gary Scanga
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:25 PM
> To: 'thin@freelists.org'
> Subject: [THIN] older ICA clients on WI 5.0?
>
> I need to upgrade the Web Interface servers from version 4.0 to 5.0.
> However, I found some clients out there that are running an older
> version of
> the ICA client (7.100.21825). Does anyone know if this older version
> should
> work on v5.0 Web Interface?
>
> My quick test showed me that it may not since launching a ICA
> session did
> nothing from one of these clients.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> --
> Gary
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[THIN] Re: older ICA clients on WI 5.0?

Good tip- didn't even know that setting existed. I found that it is an option in v5.0 as well but, unfortunately for me, it is set to allow *all* client versions.

Thanks,

--
Gary

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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Christoph Wegener
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:01 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: older ICA clients on WI 5.0?

In WI 4.x you had the option to disallow client version older than 8.x
I don't know if this option is still there in WI 5.x but it would
definitely be worth to check.

Christoph

On Mar 6, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Gary Scanga wrote:

> These are thin client's that have a build on them which restricts
> users from any write access. Thus, we'd need to script an ICA client
> upgrade to all remote systems. I would assume that the Web Interface
> systems are backwards-compatible with older ICA client versions- but
> I can't find anything to validate that on Google, etc. And my
> testing is also proving otherwise :-(
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Gary
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org]
> On Behalf Of Joe Shonk
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:37 PM
> To: thin@freelists.org
> Subject: [THIN] Re: older ICA clients on WI 5.0?
>
> Should be ok.. Why not make the XenApp 11 client available on the WI
> 5.0 and
> have them update their client?
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Gary Scanga
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:25 PM
> To: 'thin@freelists.org'
> Subject: [THIN] older ICA clients on WI 5.0?
>
> I need to upgrade the Web Interface servers from version 4.0 to 5.0.
> However, I found some clients out there that are running an older
> version of
> the ICA client (7.100.21825). Does anyone know if this older version
> should
> work on v5.0 Web Interface?
>
> My quick test showed me that it may not since launching a ICA
> session did
> nothing from one of these clients.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> --
> Gary
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[THIN] Re: older ICA clients on WI 5.0?

In WI 4.x you had the option to disallow client version older than 8.x
I don't know if this option is still there in WI 5.x but it would
definitely be worth to check.

Christoph

On Mar 6, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Gary Scanga wrote:

> These are thin client's that have a build on them which restricts
> users from any write access. Thus, we'd need to script an ICA client
> upgrade to all remote systems. I would assume that the Web Interface
> systems are backwards-compatible with older ICA client versions- but
> I can't find anything to validate that on Google, etc. And my
> testing is also proving otherwise :-(
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Gary
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org]
> On Behalf Of Joe Shonk
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:37 PM
> To: thin@freelists.org
> Subject: [THIN] Re: older ICA clients on WI 5.0?
>
> Should be ok.. Why not make the XenApp 11 client available on the WI
> 5.0 and
> have them update their client?
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Gary Scanga
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:25 PM
> To: 'thin@freelists.org'
> Subject: [THIN] older ICA clients on WI 5.0?
>
> I need to upgrade the Web Interface servers from version 4.0 to 5.0.
> However, I found some clients out there that are running an older
> version of
> the ICA client (7.100.21825). Does anyone know if this older version
> should
> work on v5.0 Web Interface?
>
> My quick test showed me that it may not since launching a ICA
> session did
> nothing from one of these clients.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> --
> Gary
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[THIN] Re: older ICA clients on WI 5.0?

Version 7 should work but it will not support the newer features implemented
since then.


Steve Greenberg
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Of Gary Scanga
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:25 PM
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Subject: [THIN] older ICA clients on WI 5.0?

I need to upgrade the Web Interface servers from version 4.0 to 5.0.
However, I found some clients out there that are running an older version of
the ICA client (7.100.21825). Does anyone know if this older version should
work on v5.0 Web Interface?

My quick test showed me that it may not since launching a ICA session did
nothing from one of these clients.

Thanks in advance!

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[THIN] Re: nsauto hangs

okay, setting the service to manual helped one PC, but not all.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Steve Snyder <kwajalein@gmail.com> wrote:
thanks. we're on 8.1

setting the service to manual seems to resolve the matter without any issues.
- Show quoted text -


On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Daniel Barichello <daniel.barichello@lucida.com.au> wrote:

Hi Steve,

 

Have seen this before.. and yes the same – killing the task brought everything back to life. This is going back quite a while now, I think initially we put it down to a bug as we were on an early v8.0 firmware back then.  But I think we also saw it just recently on a v9 firmware and it ended up being a windows xp firewall issue for us I believe.  I will check with guy I was working with at the time and see if he remembers.... he will most likely respond to this post anyways...

 

Will keep you posted.

 

 

Regards

 

Daniel Barichello.

 

 

 

 

 

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Steve Snyder
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2009 8:20 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] nsauto hangs

 

I'm slowly starting to implement our netscaler and one annoying thing I've found is PCs (winxp/SP2) will hang on the logon process - you nee the network logon script run and then nothing. Bring up taskman, kill nsauto.exe and presto - there's the desktop. Client seems to work fine afterwards so there's apparently no harm from killing it, but it's rather annoying.

Anyone seen this and know how to cure it?



[THIN] Re: older ICA clients on WI 5.0?

These are thin client's that have a build on them which restricts users from any write access. Thus, we'd need to script an ICA client upgrade to all remote systems. I would assume that the Web Interface systems are backwards-compatible with older ICA client versions- but I can't find anything to validate that on Google, etc. And my testing is also proving otherwise :-(

Thanks,

--
Gary


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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Joe Shonk
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:37 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: older ICA clients on WI 5.0?

Should be ok.. Why not make the XenApp 11 client available on the WI 5.0 and
have them update their client?

Joe

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Of Gary Scanga
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:25 PM
To: 'thin@freelists.org'
Subject: [THIN] older ICA clients on WI 5.0?

I need to upgrade the Web Interface servers from version 4.0 to 5.0.
However, I found some clients out there that are running an older version of
the ICA client (7.100.21825). Does anyone know if this older version should
work on v5.0 Web Interface?

My quick test showed me that it may not since launching a ICA session did
nothing from one of these clients.

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[THIN] Re: older ICA clients on WI 5.0?

Should be ok.. Why not make the XenApp 11 client available on the WI 5.0 and
have them update their client?

Joe

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I need to upgrade the Web Interface servers from version 4.0 to 5.0.
However, I found some clients out there that are running an older version of
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[THIN] older ICA clients on WI 5.0?

I need to upgrade the Web Interface servers from version 4.0 to 5.0. However, I found some clients out there that are running an older version of the ICA client (7.100.21825). Does anyone know if this older version should work on v5.0 Web Interface?

My quick test showed me that it may not since launching a ICA session did nothing from one of these clients.

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[THIN] Welcome to Reading layout popup

Hey All,
 
Does anybody know the registry entry that stops the “Welcome to Reading Layout popup” from occurring when opening a Word attachment through Outlook?  I want the reading layout, just the popup removed.  I have tried process monitor and it didn’t show the key that gets changed when clicking on the “Don’t show this again button”  Since I am using mandatory profiles this popup appears again at next logon.
 
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[THIN] Re: Citrix to reduce Workforce by 10%

Using VMware or Xen?:)

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If there's articles next week saying "citrix virtualise their workforce
capacity to gain 10% savings " you'll be safe to assume thats a 'no'

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Hopefully they're all from the "Let's rename this piece of software"
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[THIN] Re: Citrix to reduce Workforce by 10%

That would be a XenWorkForce wouldn't it?

Steve Raffensberger
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[THIN] Re: thin client deployment in a school

1. Find out what the desktop requirements for those apps are..
2. Build a Proof of Concept server with those apps on - monitor the
performance of the apps when its support 2-5 users..
3. Once that's passed PoC, use the PoC performance data to spec a server(s)
4. Schedule a pilot
5. Build your kit
6. Re-test

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Hi,

I have to deply thin client in a school for around 150 students. They
will be working on advanced IT apps like 3D Max, Maya, Autocad,
Photoshop, Oracle, SQL.

can anyone guide me in finalizing server requirements for them.

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[THIN] Re: XenApp or XenDesktop?

As long as your options are XenApp and XenDesktop, end-user functionality will be very similar. Brokers from other VDI vendors will probably look different to the end-user.
 
The primary difference is in the data center. It is easier to get apps to work on virtual desktops than it is on Terminal Server.
 
However, VDI has some important cost differences. More hardware is required to support the same number of users on VDI than on Terminal Server. According to Project Virtual Reality Check, you'll need double the hardware for VDI. And that doesn't include the SAN.
 
VDI also has a cost difference when it comes to Microsoft licensing. Terminal Server CALs are perpertual, are available in named-user, and don't require SA. VECD, on the other hand, is device based only, requires SA on the client device, and is licensed annually.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Minero, Hector B CIV NSWCDD, K55 <hector.minero@navy.mil> wrote:
This brings up a question:

When should you deploy a XenApp (ICA) solution on Thin clients and when
should you deploy a XenDesktop solution?
I know cost may be an issue, licenses, etc. but performance-wise?
We've got Wyse TCs running ICA desktop sessions to Citrx servers and I'm
wondering if I would get better performance and better management if I
deployed XenDesktop or some other Desktop virtualization solution.

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Hi Puneet,

Here are my quick thoughts:
Looking at the applications you listed, it would be recommended to
have the applications executing on the desktop hardware rather than on
a Terminal Server/XenApp Server.
Products like XenDesktop and Provisioning Server from Citrix might be
applicable in this scenario to reduce TCO.
Especially Autocad will prevent you from deploying a Terminal Server
solution as Autodesk prohibits by its EULA to run its Software on a
Terminal Server. With the latest releases of AutoCAD you will not even
be able to run the installer on a Terminal Server.

Citrix Provisioning Server can help you reduce TCO by having a single
OS image for all desktops. So there is no need to patch 150 desktop
separately. Adding application virtualization to the mix will allow
you to dynamically compose your desktop images on the fly. This of
course requires that all the applications you listed are compatible
with application virtualization.
But as there are multiple competing vendors
(Microsoft,Citrix,VMware,Symantec) in the application virtualization
space, chances are high that you might find one or more products which
will enable this scenario for you.

If you still want to use a Terminal Server scenario, then you should
do a thorough analysis of the computing resources that all of your
application requires. This then gives you an idea about the
scalability and efficiency of your targeted architecture. I would
assume that applications like Photoshop may require huge amounts of
RAM for each user session. Therefore a worst case scenario could be
that you can only support about 5-10 Photoshop user sessions on a
single Windows 2003 Terminal Server instance. To maximize efficient
use of hardware scalability you could then look at running multiple
virtual OS instances on a single server with say 32Gb RAM to pack
40-80 Photoshop user sessions on a single physical server box.

Additionally, if the students are going to use the 3D modeling
features of some of the applications, then the currently available
server CPUs won't be sufficient and you might want to look at an
external GPU.
Citrix Systems has a Technology Preview of it's project Apollo
available which is targeted at delivering 3D applications via ICA:
https://www.citrix.com/English/ss/downloads/details.asp?downloadId=13409
63&productId=163057


Hope this helps :)

Christoph

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> I have to deply thin client in a school for around 150 students. They
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[THIN] Re: Citrix to reduce Workforce by 10%

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We can always hope.


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[THIN] Re: Citrix to reduce Workforce by 10%

Totally agree. I'm still trying to figure out all the Xen... Names.

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Hopefully they're all from the "Let's rename this piece of software"
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[THIN] XenApp or XenDesktop?

This brings up a question:

When should you deploy a XenApp (ICA) solution on Thin clients and when
should you deploy a XenDesktop solution?
I know cost may be an issue, licenses, etc. but performance-wise?
We've got Wyse TCs running ICA desktop sessions to Citrx servers and I'm
wondering if I would get better performance and better management if I
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_______________________________
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Ph:(540)653-8859


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Subject: [THIN] Re: thin client deployment in a school


Hi Puneet,

Here are my quick thoughts:
Looking at the applications you listed, it would be recommended to
have the applications executing on the desktop hardware rather than on
a Terminal Server/XenApp Server.
Products like XenDesktop and Provisioning Server from Citrix might be
applicable in this scenario to reduce TCO.
Especially Autocad will prevent you from deploying a Terminal Server
solution as Autodesk prohibits by its EULA to run its Software on a
Terminal Server. With the latest releases of AutoCAD you will not even
be able to run the installer on a Terminal Server.

Citrix Provisioning Server can help you reduce TCO by having a single
OS image for all desktops. So there is no need to patch 150 desktop
separately. Adding application virtualization to the mix will allow
you to dynamically compose your desktop images on the fly. This of
course requires that all the applications you listed are compatible
with application virtualization.
But as there are multiple competing vendors
(Microsoft,Citrix,VMware,Symantec) in the application virtualization
space, chances are high that you might find one or more products which
will enable this scenario for you.

If you still want to use a Terminal Server scenario, then you should
do a thorough analysis of the computing resources that all of your
application requires. This then gives you an idea about the
scalability and efficiency of your targeted architecture. I would
assume that applications like Photoshop may require huge amounts of
RAM for each user session. Therefore a worst case scenario could be
that you can only support about 5-10 Photoshop user sessions on a
single Windows 2003 Terminal Server instance. To maximize efficient
use of hardware scalability you could then look at running multiple
virtual OS instances on a single server with say 32Gb RAM to pack
40-80 Photoshop user sessions on a single physical server box.

Additionally, if the students are going to use the 3D modeling
features of some of the applications, then the currently available
server CPUs won't be sufficient and you might want to look at an
external GPU.
Citrix Systems has a Technology Preview of it's project Apollo
available which is targeted at delivering 3D applications via ICA:
https://www.citrix.com/English/ss/downloads/details.asp?downloadId=13409
63&productId=163057

Hope this helps :)

Christoph

On Mar 5, 2009, at 8:36 PM, Puneet Goel wrote:

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>
> I have to deply thin client in a school for around 150 students. They
> will be working on advanced IT apps like 3D Max, Maya, Autocad,
> Photoshop, Oracle, SQL.
>
> can anyone guide me in finalizing server requirements for them.
>
> thanks
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[THIN] Re: thin client deployment in a school

Hi Puneet,

Here are my quick thoughts:
Looking at the applications you listed, it would be recommended to
have the applications executing on the desktop hardware rather than on
a Terminal Server/XenApp Server.
Products like XenDesktop and Provisioning Server from Citrix might be
applicable in this scenario to reduce TCO.
Especially Autocad will prevent you from deploying a Terminal Server
solution as Autodesk prohibits by its EULA to run its Software on a
Terminal Server. With the latest releases of AutoCAD you will not even
be able to run the installer on a Terminal Server.

Citrix Provisioning Server can help you reduce TCO by having a single
OS image for all desktops. So there is no need to patch 150 desktop
separately. Adding application virtualization to the mix will allow
you to dynamically compose your desktop images on the fly. This of
course requires that all the applications you listed are compatible
with application virtualization.
But as there are multiple competing vendors
(Microsoft,Citrix,VMware,Symantec) in the application virtualization
space, chances are high that you might find one or more products which
will enable this scenario for you.

If you still want to use a Terminal Server scenario, then you should
do a thorough analysis of the computing resources that all of your
application requires. This then gives you an idea about the
scalability and efficiency of your targeted architecture. I would
assume that applications like Photoshop may require huge amounts of
RAM for each user session. Therefore a worst case scenario could be
that you can only support about 5-10 Photoshop user sessions on a
single Windows 2003 Terminal Server instance. To maximize efficient
use of hardware scalability you could then look at running multiple
virtual OS instances on a single server with say 32Gb RAM to pack
40-80 Photoshop user sessions on a single physical server box.

Additionally, if the students are going to use the 3D modeling
features of some of the applications, then the currently available
server CPUs won't be sufficient and you might want to look at an
external GPU.
Citrix Systems has a Technology Preview of it's project Apollo
available which is targeted at delivering 3D applications via ICA:
https://www.citrix.com/English/ss/downloads/details.asp?downloadId=1340963&productId=163057

Hope this helps :)

Christoph

On Mar 5, 2009, at 8:36 PM, Puneet Goel wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have to deply thin client in a school for around 150 students. They
> will be working on advanced IT apps like 3D Max, Maya, Autocad,
> Photoshop, Oracle, SQL.
>
> can anyone guide me in finalizing server requirements for them.
>
> thanks
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[THIN] Re: thin client deployment in a school

Lets assume you get 50 users for each citrix server b'cos of more graphical apps.
So you may need 3+1 , 4 Citrix servers with good number of cpu and memory.
 
There are some good thin clients for citrix access.. HP, etc
Select a brand depends on your budget...
I believe most of them give good management...

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Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 3:36 AM

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[THIN] thin client deployment in a school

Hi,

I have to deply thin client in a school for around 150 students. They
will be working on advanced IT apps like 3D Max, Maya, Autocad,
Photoshop, Oracle, SQL.

can anyone guide me in finalizing server requirements for them.

thanks
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Wednesday, March 4, 2009

[THIN] Re: nsauto hangs

thanks. we're on 8.1

setting the service to manual seems to resolve the matter without any issues.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Daniel Barichello <daniel.barichello@lucida.com.au> wrote:

Hi Steve,

 

Have seen this before.. and yes the same – killing the task brought everything back to life. This is going back quite a while now, I think initially we put it down to a bug as we were on an early v8.0 firmware back then.  But I think we also saw it just recently on a v9 firmware and it ended up being a windows xp firewall issue for us I believe.  I will check with guy I was working with at the time and see if he remembers.... he will most likely respond to this post anyways...

 

Will keep you posted.

 

 

Regards

 

Daniel Barichello.

 

 

 

 

 

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Steve Snyder
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2009 8:20 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] nsauto hangs

 

I'm slowly starting to implement our netscaler and one annoying thing I've found is PCs (winxp/SP2) will hang on the logon process - you nee the network logon script run and then nothing. Bring up taskman, kill nsauto.exe and presto - there's the desktop. Client seems to work fine afterwards so there's apparently no harm from killing it, but it's rather annoying.

Anyone seen this and know how to cure it?


[THIN] Re: nsauto hangs

Hi Steve,

 

Have seen this before.. and yes the same – killing the task brought everything back to life. This is going back quite a while now, I think initially we put it down to a bug as we were on an early v8.0 firmware back then.  But I think we also saw it just recently on a v9 firmware and it ended up being a windows xp firewall issue for us I believe.  I will check with guy I was working with at the time and see if he remembers.... he will most likely respond to this post anyways...

 

Will keep you posted.

 

 

Regards

 

Daniel Barichello.

 

 

 

 

 

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Steve Snyder
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2009 8:20 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] nsauto hangs

 

I'm slowly starting to implement our netscaler and one annoying thing I've found is PCs (winxp/SP2) will hang on the logon process - you nee the network logon script run and then nothing. Bring up taskman, kill nsauto.exe and presto - there's the desktop. Client seems to work fine afterwards so there's apparently no harm from killing it, but it's rather annoying.

Anyone seen this and know how to cure it?

[THIN] Re: Citrix Presentation 4.5 Rollup3 hotfix

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of alan tropper
Subject: [THIN] Citrix Presentation 4.5 Rollup3 hotfix

 

Hi,

 

I am currently looking at installing the hotfix rollup pack for PS 4.5.1, as no hotfixes have been applied to the farm yet being that it is fairly new….

 

However it looks as though I may also need to upgrade:

 

Web interface from 4.5 to 4.6

Upgrade the Citrix License Server currently 4.5 to 11.5

Then install the rollup patch to all citrix servers (starting with metric servers)

 

Can anyone advise if the above is correct and if there are any issues I should be aware of before upgrading other then the obvious of backups and snapshots?

 

No need to upgrade the WI but it doesn’t hurt to do so

Upgrade the License Server to 11.5

Install the Microsoft C++ Redistributable Package to ALL XenApp servers

Install HRP03:

              Data Collectors

              Database connection server

              Pri farm metric server

              BU farm metric server

              Member servers

 

 

Webster