Saturday, September 6, 2008

[THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

>I consider the latest UPD useable yes
 
I don't have any complaints with it.
Posted by thinlist at 7:59 AM 0 comments

[THIN] Re: ImaSrv.exe sending e-mail

Doesn't IMA use email for the resource manager alerts?

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On
Behalf Of Evan Mann
Sent: Saturday, 6 September 2008 12:40 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] ImaSrv.exe sending e-mail

After installing McAfee on some old Citrix VM's, I am seeing blocking of
outbound TCP/25 from ImaSrv.exe from some, but not all of the server. A
few hits on bootup of the VM. What does ImaSrv.exe send out e-mails
for? Where would I look to see how the servers are set differently?
CPS 4.0 R03
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Posted by thinlist at 3:21 AM 0 comments

Friday, September 5, 2008

[THIN] Re: WebEx Profiles issue

Thats the one...  Will test and see how I go....

Thanks



To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: WebEx Profiles issue
From: pardeemp@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:12:08 +0000

Good idea. I think it is in %userprofile%\webex if I remember correctly.
From: "Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms" <jkenzig@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:35:21 -0400
To: <thin@freelists.org>
Subject: [THIN] Re: WebEx Profiles issue

Can't you set it in the GPO to prevent a folder from roaming?
Jim Kenzig
Blog: http://www.techblink.com


On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Angela Smith <angela_smith9@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi

We currently use WebEx within Citrix which works fine.  We use Citrix Presentation Server 4 with MS Roaming Profiles.  My only isssue is that WebEx copies 20Mb of WebEx files into the roaming profile.  Does anyone know if there is a way to redirect WebEx files out of the Profile??

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Posted by thinlist at 8:31 PM 0 comments

[THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

I consider the latest UPD useable yes, the acquisition of Sepago should be a useable profile solution soon J

 

 

Steve Greenberg

Thin Client Computing

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steveg@thinclient.net

 

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Greg Reese
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 2:31 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

 

Citrix has usable print and profile solutions?

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Steve Greenberg <steveg@thinclient.net> wrote:

I totally agree and I think that Citrix took far too long to have usable print and profile solutions, my point is that their code did not cause these issues….

 

 

Steve Greenberg

Thin Client Computing

34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453

Scottsdale, AZ 85266

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www.thinclient.net

steveg@thinclient.net

 

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Robert K Coffman Jr. -Info From Data Corp.
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 2:13 PM


To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

 

>…one other thought about this- Citrix for 15+ years has been the target of complaints about profiles, printing, drivers, etc. that were never their issue to begin with, but, they were selling the products that require this support and reveal the underling OS issues, they took the blame….

 

Citrix built on Terminal Services, adding missing pieces etc.  That was what they did.  If anyone was in position to fix problems with TS besides MSFT, it was CTXS.

 

 

 

 

Posted by thinlist at 5:54 PM 0 comments

[THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

Citrix has usable print and profile solutions?

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Steve Greenberg <steveg@thinclient.net> wrote:

I totally agree and I think that Citrix took far too long to have usable print and profile solutions, my point is that their code did not cause these issues….

 

 

Steve Greenberg

Thin Client Computing

34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453

Scottsdale, AZ 85266

(602) 432-8649

www.thinclient.net

steveg@thinclient.net

 

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Robert K Coffman Jr. -Info From Data Corp.
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 2:13 PM


To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

 

>…one other thought about this- Citrix for 15+ years has been the target of complaints about profiles, printing, drivers, etc. that were never their issue to begin with, but, they were selling the products that require this support and reveal the underling OS issues, they took the blame….

 

Citrix built on Terminal Services, adding missing pieces etc.  That was what they did.  If anyone was in position to fix problems with TS besides MSFT, it was CTXS.

 

 

 


Posted by thinlist at 5:31 PM 0 comments

[THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

I totally agree and I think that Citrix took far too long to have usable print and profile solutions, my point is that their code did not cause these issues….

 

 

Steve Greenberg

Thin Client Computing

34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453

Scottsdale, AZ 85266

(602) 432-8649

www.thinclient.net

steveg@thinclient.net

 

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Robert K Coffman Jr. -Info From Data Corp.
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 2:13 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

 

>…one other thought about this- Citrix for 15+ years has been the target of complaints about profiles, printing, drivers, etc. that were never their issue to begin with, but, they were selling the products that require this support and reveal the underling OS issues, they took the blame….

 

Citrix built on Terminal Services, adding missing pieces etc.  That was what they did.  If anyone was in position to fix problems with TS besides MSFT, it was CTXS.

 

 

 

Posted by thinlist at 5:27 PM 0 comments

[THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

>…one other thought about this- Citrix for 15+ years has been the target of complaints about profiles, printing, drivers, etc. that were never their issue to begin with, but, they were selling the products that require this support and reveal the underling OS issues, they took the blame….

 

Citrix built on Terminal Services, adding missing pieces etc.   That was what they did.  If anyone was in position to fix problems with TS besides MSFT, it was CTXS.

 

 

 

Posted by thinlist at 5:13 PM 0 comments

[THIN] Re: Xenapp 5 released to Web (MyCitrix)

XA 5.0 for Windows 2008 is a new release that contains new features.
 
XA 5.0 for Windows 2003 is not a new release. It is based on the CPS 4.5 code. There is no rollup hotfix, no service pack, no upgrade.
 
But there are newer versions of the stuff you normally find on the Components CD.

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Chad Schneider (IT) <Chad.M.Schneider@thedacare.org> wrote:
That is not going to work.
 
Chad Schneider
Systems Engineer
ThedaCare IT
920-735-7615

>>> On 9/5/2008 at 11:41 AM, <matt.kosht@gmail.com> wrote:
VIsta Enterprise SP1 (the built in zip/unzip)

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Chad Schneider (IT)
<Chad.M.Schneider@thedacare.org> wrote:
> What are you using to open the ZIP file?
>
> Chad Schneider
> Systems Engineer
> ThedaCare IT
> 920-735-7615
>
>>>> On 9/5/2008 at 10:44 AM, <matt.kosht@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone else having issues getting the XA 5 Win2K3 Adv/Ent .zip file to
> decompress?
>
> I have downloaded it 2x now at
>
> https://www.citrix.com/English/SS/downloads/details.asp?downloadId=1681206&productId=186#top
>
> and it comes back as invalid zip file.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms
> <jkenzig@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://community.citrix.com/blogs/citrite/sridharm/2008/09/04/XenApp+5+released+to+web!
>>
>> Jim Kenzig
>> Blog: http://www.techblink.com
>>
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Posted by thinlist at 4:57 PM 0 comments

[THIN] Re: Xenapp 5 released to Web (MyCitrix)

That is not going to work.
 
Chad Schneider
Systems Engineer
ThedaCare IT
920-735-7615

>>> On 9/5/2008 at 11:41 AM, <matt.kosht@gmail.com> wrote:
VIsta Enterprise SP1 (the built in zip/unzip)

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Chad Schneider (IT)
<Chad.M.Schneider@thedacare.org> wrote:
> What are you using to open the ZIP file?
>
> Chad Schneider
> Systems Engineer
> ThedaCare IT
> 920-735-7615
>
>>>> On 9/5/2008 at 10:44 AM, <matt.kosht@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone else having issues getting the XA 5 Win2K3 Adv/Ent .zip file to
> decompress?
>
> I have downloaded it 2x now at
>
> https://www.citrix.com/English/SS/downloads/details.asp?downloadId=1681206&productId=186#top
>
> and it comes back as invalid zip file.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms
> <jkenzig@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://community.citrix.com/blogs/citrite/sridharm/2008/09/04/XenApp+5+released+to+web!
>>
>> Jim Kenzig
>> Blog: http://www.techblink.com
>>
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Posted by thinlist at 4:32 PM 0 comments

[THIN] Re: Xenapp 5 released to Web (MyCitrix)

Think of XA 5 as simply a platform upgrade, Isolation 3.0, and UI enhancements.    There are 50+ new features, but Citrix doesn’t have a list to tell you what they are.

 

Joe

 

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Carl Stalhood
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:04 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Xenapp 5 released to Web (MyCitrix)

 

Yes, the base code for XA 5.0 on Windows 2003 is identical to CPS 4.5 FP1. To get new CPS features, you have to install it on Windows Server 2008. That's why there are different features in the Windows Server 2008 version.

 

All of the other components like licensing, web interface, edgesight, streaming, etc. have been updated. You can install those components on 2003 servers to make it look like it is a new version of CPS.

 

Confused yet?

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Matt Kosht <matt.kosht@gmail.com> wrote:

Why wouldn't it work? Isn't it the same format?  Also I successfully
unzipped the Windows Server 2008 flavor without an issue.
XA 5.0 on Windows 2003 is identical to CPS 4.5 FP1?!

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Carl Stalhood <cstalhood@gmail.com> wrote:
> Windows unzip doesn't work. Use WinZip, WinRAR, or similar.
>
> FYI, The XA 5.0 CD for Windows 2003 is identical to the CPS 4.5 with Feature
> Pack 1 CD. There is absolutely no difference. XA 5.0 for 2003 does not
> update the CPS code.
>
> To get the XA 5.0 stuff, download the Components CD or download the
> components individually. The components are WI 5.01, EdgeSight 5.0,
> Licensing 11.5, Streaming Profiler and Client 1.2, Client 11.0. Licensing
> 11.5 is not included on the Components CD.
>
> EdgeSight 5.0 replaces Resource Manager but it requires a separate EdgeSight
> server and SQL Reporting Services. If the EdgeSight agent is installed on an
> Enterprise Edition XA server, it runs in "Basic" mode but if the XA server
> is Platinum then it runs in "Advanced" mode.
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Matt Kosht <matt.kosht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> VIsta Enterprise SP1 (the built in zip/unzip)
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Chad Schneider (IT)
>> <Chad.M.Schneider@thedacare.org> wrote:
>> > What are you using to open the ZIP file?
>> >
>> > Chad Schneider
>> > Systems Engineer
>> > ThedaCare IT
>> > 920-735-7615
>> >
>> >>>> On 9/5/2008 at 10:44 AM, <matt.kosht@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Anyone else having issues getting the XA 5 Win2K3 Adv/Ent .zip file to
>> > decompress?
>> >
>> > I have downloaded it 2x now at
>> >
>> >
>> > https://www.citrix.com/English/SS/downloads/details.asp?downloadId=1681206&productId=186#top
>> >
>> > and it comes back as invalid zip file.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms
>> > <jkenzig@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://community.citrix.com/blogs/citrite/sridharm/2008/09/04/XenApp+5+released+to+web!
>> >>
>> >> Jim Kenzig
>> >> Blog: http://www.techblink.com
>> >>
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Posted by thinlist at 2:25 PM 0 comments

[THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

Even with out the third party stuff Vista could be better…  A stock install of Vista SP1 chews up 533 megs of memory when first started.  XP SP3 takes 82 megs.  That’s 6.5x the memory.   Connecting to CIFS/SMB shares on a Windows 2003 or XP workstation is painfully slow and many times error out.  From a usability stand point.  I despise and hate the new start menu and Explorer.  When I cursor through folders it doesn’t automatically show the content of the folder!  Breadcrumb browsing is very annoy.  I much, much prefer the XP style explorer.  I’ll even settle for something like Mac’s Finder.  The only good thing about the new Explorer in Vista is the ability to create folder shortcuts in the left-pane.

 

I had 2 gigs RAM in my laptop and Vista would constantly run out of memory.  And this was with the Aero interface and Super-fetch turned off.  The only open was Outlook 2007. 

 

Here is an excerpt from an unpublished article I wrote about Vista.  The irony is rest of the article discusses why I didn’t choose Linux or Mac but 4 months later I ended up buying a MacBook Pro w/ Fusion and Windows XP.  I only use XP for XenCenter and Outlook (as there in no Mac version, Entourage is not quite the same)

 

 

The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

 

Looking to increase performance, usability, stability and application compatibility on your Windows Vista system?  Well, Microsoft released Windows Vista Service Pack 1 last week.  No, I'm not recommending SP1.  I've got a solution that is much better.  What if I told you that there is an Operating System out there that performs so much fast than Vista.  One that is easy to use, rock solid stable and works with 100% of your applications?  What if I said you could even use your existing hardware?

 

Is it a Mac?  Nope.

 

Is it Linux?  Nope.

 

I've been running this Vista Upgrade on my laptop for 3 months now and I have to say is it is amazing!  My laptop is so much faster, stable and easier to use than ever before!

 

So what is this new and exciting Operating System?  Microsoft released a relatively unknown OS many years back called Microsoft Windows XP SP2.

 

Here is my story. 

 

Back in January 2007, I upgraded my laptop (Dell Inspiron E1705, T7400 Core2Duo, 2GB of Ram, 7200 RPM drive) running Windows XP Pro to Microsoft Vista Ultimate. Since then, I have had nothing but problems with the thing.

 

Issues encountered:

                The system was really slow, pause and frequent display “Not Responding” in the title bar of applications

                The system would do what it pleased and constantly kicking off some type of system scan or defrag.  The poor hard-drive was constantly chattering

                The system locked up occasionally

                Wireless would not always reconnect when coming out of standby mode

                Moving from one Wireless AP to a different Wireless AP was not always seamless

                Copying files takes 4 to 5 times longer to complete

                Consistent issues connecting to CIFS shares

                Consistent issues copying files to a CIFS share

                Consistent issues opening files on a CIFS share (sometimes, just basic .txt files would not open properly)

                System would frequently run out of memory with only 1 application open (the system has 2 GB of ram)

                The UAC is very, very annoying.  Immediately turn that off

                Explorer folder views do not save properly

                The new Start Menu is hard to navigate

                System settings are new and hidden places.  I've wasted countly hours searching for settings.

                The Explorer windows size opens up way too small. I always have to resize it

                A lot of the application I use no longer worked

                Windows Backup would not connect to a WinXP share

                Windows Backup would not let me pick and choose what files to backup

 

From what I've been hearing about Vista SP1, things are not much better.

 

What am I losing by upgrading to XP?  Not much, but here is a list:

                Security?  What good is it if it's really annoying, slows down the system, and decreased the reliability of the system?  I'd rather have speed and stability.  For browsing the internet, I prefer Firefox anyways.  A simple Google search reveals there are quite a few articles that suggest that Vista is not as secure as Microsoft lets on.

                The new Aero interface.  Whoop dee doo!  So the title bars are not translucent or the windows fad in and out.  Microsoft touts the 3d tab flip as a big feature but I never found myself using it.   After a while, I ended up turning off the Aero interface and changed the Start Menu to classic mode in an attempt to stabilize the system and reduce memory consumption.  Nothing gained,  nothing lost.

                Superfetch.  Not sure where to begin here.  I turned this off while trying to troubleshoot issues with memory consumption and I did not notice a performance decrease.

                Folder shortcuts in Explorer.   If anything, this might be one feature I miss the most.

 

What did I gain?

                Speed!  The system is noticeably faster and more responsive.  And Service Pack 3 promises to be even faster.

                Stability!  I haven't had the system crash/lockup yet

                My Hard Drive stopped chattering

My wireless connections work so much better

                My old applications work again

                I'm only using 565 megs (out of 2 GB) with the following application opened: Outlook, Word, iTunes, Firefox and Notepad

                Coping files to/from a CIFS share is so much faster and trouble free

                I can open simple text base files without incident

                My system setting are where I expect them to be (No more 2 hour ventures to find where a new settings is hiding)

                I can use NTBACKUP again!

 

Joe

 

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:38 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

 

Seinfied only got 10 million.   Remember my earlier post. It isn't Microsoft's fault, Vista works great.  It is 3rd party vendors who can't seem to writer their software properly to work on it.  Microsoft needs to spend that money to engage these vendors and teach them how to write their software to work on Vista. And the world would be a better place.

Jim Kenzig
Blog: http://www.techblink.com

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@gmail.com> wrote:

So this is what Microsoft came up with for their $300 million campaign starring Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld.  I kind of  wished they would have spend the money optimizing and fixing Vista.

 

http://gizmodo.com/5045703/the-first-bill-gates-%252B-jerry-seinfeld-microsoft-ad-makes-no-sense

 

Joe

 

Posted by thinlist at 2:05 PM 0 comments

[THIN] Re: Xenapp 5 released to Web (MyCitrix)

Yes, the base code for XA 5.0 on Windows 2003 is identical to CPS 4.5 FP1. To get new CPS features, you have to install it on Windows Server 2008. That's why there are different features in the Windows Server 2008 version.
 
All of the other components like licensing, web interface, edgesight, streaming, etc. have been updated. You can install those components on 2003 servers to make it look like it is a new version of CPS.
 
Confused yet?

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Matt Kosht <matt.kosht@gmail.com> wrote:
Why wouldn't it work? Isn't it the same format?  Also I successfully
unzipped the Windows Server 2008 flavor without an issue.
XA 5.0 on Windows 2003 is identical to CPS 4.5 FP1?!

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Carl Stalhood <cstalhood@gmail.com> wrote:
> Windows unzip doesn't work. Use WinZip, WinRAR, or similar.
>
> FYI, The XA 5.0 CD for Windows 2003 is identical to the CPS 4.5 with Feature
> Pack 1 CD. There is absolutely no difference. XA 5.0 for 2003 does not
> update the CPS code.
>
> To get the XA 5.0 stuff, download the Components CD or download the
> components individually. The components are WI 5.01, EdgeSight 5.0,
> Licensing 11.5, Streaming Profiler and Client 1.2, Client 11.0. Licensing
> 11.5 is not included on the Components CD.
>
> EdgeSight 5.0 replaces Resource Manager but it requires a separate EdgeSight
> server and SQL Reporting Services. If the EdgeSight agent is installed on an
> Enterprise Edition XA server, it runs in "Basic" mode but if the XA server
> is Platinum then it runs in "Advanced" mode.
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Matt Kosht <matt.kosht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> VIsta Enterprise SP1 (the built in zip/unzip)
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Chad Schneider (IT)
>> <Chad.M.Schneider@thedacare.org> wrote:
>> > What are you using to open the ZIP file?
>> >
>> > Chad Schneider
>> > Systems Engineer
>> > ThedaCare IT
>> > 920-735-7615
>> >
>> >>>> On 9/5/2008 at 10:44 AM, <matt.kosht@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Anyone else having issues getting the XA 5 Win2K3 Adv/Ent .zip file to
>> > decompress?
>> >
>> > I have downloaded it 2x now at
>> >
>> >
>> > https://www.citrix.com/English/SS/downloads/details.asp?downloadId=1681206&productId=186#top
>> >
>> > and it comes back as invalid zip file.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms
>> > <jkenzig@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://community.citrix.com/blogs/citrite/sridharm/2008/09/04/XenApp+5+released+to+web!
>> >>
>> >> Jim Kenzig
>> >> Blog: http://www.techblink.com
>> >>
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Posted by thinlist at 2:04 PM 0 comments

[THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

Did the same, killed aero, limited what starts at startup. Still not impressed, however that’s just one person’s opinion. I’ve heard that lots of people love it. Great, have at it.

 

 

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Greg Reese
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:53 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

 

once i killed aero, indexing, and a bunch of startup programs, Vista perked up quite a bit for me.  that said, i don't see it as a great improvement over XP.

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Beckett, William (Bill) <WBECKETT@steelcase.com> wrote:

Have to disagree. I run the business edition of Vista and explorer bombs on me almost daily. Yes, most issues are with drivers for 3rd party apps and that is a huge pain and a huge reason why everyone isn't jumping on the bandwagon. However, while I won't make a blanket statement echoing 'vista works terrible', I'll instead say that for me, Vista doesn't work so great.

 

 

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:38 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

 

Seinfied only got 10 million.   Remember my earlier post. It isn't Microsoft's fault, Vista works great.  It is 3rd party vendors who can't seem to writer their software properly to work on it.  Microsoft needs to spend that money to engage these vendors and teach them how to write their software to work on Vista. And the world would be a better place.

Jim Kenzig
Blog: http://www.techblink.com

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@gmail.com> wrote:

So this is what Microsoft came up with for their $300 million campaign starring Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld.  I kind of  wished they would have spend the money optimizing and fixing Vista.

 

http://gizmodo.com/5045703/the-first-bill-gates-%252B-jerry-seinfeld-microsoft-ad-makes-no-sense

 

Joe

 

 

Posted by thinlist at 1:57 PM 0 comments

[THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

once i killed aero, indexing, and a bunch of startup programs, Vista perked up quite a bit for me.  that said, i don't see it as a great improvement over XP.

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Beckett, William (Bill) <WBECKETT@steelcase.com> wrote:

Have to disagree. I run the business edition of Vista and explorer bombs on me almost daily. Yes, most issues are with drivers for 3rd party apps and that is a huge pain and a huge reason why everyone isn't jumping on the bandwagon. However, while I won't make a blanket statement echoing 'vista works terrible', I'll instead say that for me, Vista doesn't work so great.

 

 

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:38 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

 

Seinfied only got 10 million.   Remember my earlier post. It isn't Microsoft's fault, Vista works great.  It is 3rd party vendors who can't seem to writer their software properly to work on it.  Microsoft needs to spend that money to engage these vendors and teach them how to write their software to work on Vista. And the world would be a better place.

Jim Kenzig
Blog: http://www.techblink.com

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@gmail.com> wrote:

So this is what Microsoft came up with for their $300 million campaign starring Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld.  I kind of  wished they would have spend the money optimizing and fixing Vista.

 

http://gizmodo.com/5045703/the-first-bill-gates-%252B-jerry-seinfeld-microsoft-ad-makes-no-sense

 

Joe

 


Posted by thinlist at 1:53 PM 0 comments

[THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

…one other thought about this- Citrix for 15+ years has been the target of complaints about profiles, printing, drivers, etc. that were never their issue to begin with, but, they were selling the products that require this support and reveal the underling OS issues, they took the blame….

 

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Beckett, William (Bill)
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:41 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

 

Have to disagree. I run the business edition of Vista and explorer bombs on me almost daily. Yes, most issues are with drivers for 3rd party apps and that is a huge pain and a huge reason why everyone isn’t jumping on the bandwagon. However, while I won’t make a blanket statement echoing ‘vista works terrible’, I’ll instead say that for me, Vista doesn’t work so great.

 

 

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:38 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

 

Seinfied only got 10 million.   Remember my earlier post. It isn't Microsoft's fault, Vista works great.  It is 3rd party vendors who can't seem to writer their software properly to work on it.  Microsoft needs to spend that money to engage these vendors and teach them how to write their software to work on Vista. And the world would be a better place.

Jim Kenzig
Blog: http://www.techblink.com

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@gmail.com> wrote:

So this is what Microsoft came up with for their $300 million campaign starring Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld.  I kind of  wished they would have spend the money optimizing and fixing Vista.

 

http://gizmodo.com/5045703/the-first-bill-gates-%252B-jerry-seinfeld-microsoft-ad-makes-no-sense

 

Joe

 

Posted by thinlist at 1:48 PM 0 comments

[THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

In general, Microsoft has moved away from being the evil empire and has been writing really good code for a long time now. Vista has compatability issues that may or may not be directly related to MS, but the bottom line is that a lot of thing don’t work well and when you are the ubiquitous OS in the world, regardless of the cause of frustration, it becomes your problem!!

 

 

Steve Greenberg

Thin Client Computing

34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453

Scottsdale, AZ 85266

(602) 432-8649

www.thinclient.net

steveg@thinclient.net

 

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Beckett, William (Bill)
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:41 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

 

Have to disagree. I run the business edition of Vista and explorer bombs on me almost daily. Yes, most issues are with drivers for 3rd party apps and that is a huge pain and a huge reason why everyone isn’t jumping on the bandwagon. However, while I won’t make a blanket statement echoing ‘vista works terrible’, I’ll instead say that for me, Vista doesn’t work so great.

 

 

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:38 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

 

Seinfied only got 10 million.   Remember my earlier post. It isn't Microsoft's fault, Vista works great.  It is 3rd party vendors who can't seem to writer their software properly to work on it.  Microsoft needs to spend that money to engage these vendors and teach them how to write their software to work on Vista. And the world would be a better place.

Jim Kenzig
Blog: http://www.techblink.com

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@gmail.com> wrote:

So this is what Microsoft came up with for their $300 million campaign starring Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld.  I kind of  wished they would have spend the money optimizing and fixing Vista.

 

http://gizmodo.com/5045703/the-first-bill-gates-%252B-jerry-seinfeld-microsoft-ad-makes-no-sense

 

Joe

 

Posted by thinlist at 1:47 PM 0 comments

[THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

Have to disagree. I run the business edition of Vista and explorer bombs on me almost daily. Yes, most issues are with drivers for 3rd party apps and that is a huge pain and a huge reason why everyone isn’t jumping on the bandwagon. However, while I won’t make a blanket statement echoing ‘vista works terrible’, I’ll instead say that for me, Vista doesn’t work so great.

 

 

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:38 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

 

Seinfied only got 10 million.   Remember my earlier post. It isn't Microsoft's fault, Vista works great.  It is 3rd party vendors who can't seem to writer their software properly to work on it.  Microsoft needs to spend that money to engage these vendors and teach them how to write their software to work on Vista. And the world would be a better place.

Jim Kenzig
Blog: http://www.techblink.com

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@gmail.com> wrote:

So this is what Microsoft came up with for their $300 million campaign starring Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld.  I kind of  wished they would have spend the money optimizing and fixing Vista.

 

http://gizmodo.com/5045703/the-first-bill-gates-%252B-jerry-seinfeld-microsoft-ad-makes-no-sense

 

Joe

 

Posted by thinlist at 1:41 PM 0 comments

[THIN] Re: Microsoft Ad

Seinfied only got 10 million.   Remember my earlier post. It isn't Microsoft's fault, Vista works great.  It is 3rd party vendors who can't seem to writer their software properly to work on it.  Microsoft needs to spend that money to engage these vendors and teach them how to write their software to work on Vista. And the world would be a better place.

Jim Kenzig
Blog: http://www.techblink.com


On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@gmail.com> wrote:

So this is what Microsoft came up with for their $300 million campaign starring Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld.  I kind of  wished they would have spend the money optimizing and fixing Vista.

 

http://gizmodo.com/5045703/the-first-bill-gates-%252B-jerry-seinfeld-microsoft-ad-makes-no-sense

 

Joe


Posted by thinlist at 1:38 PM 0 comments
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