ThinList Blog: 2008-12-14

Saturday, December 20, 2008

[THIN] Re: Flexprofiles Not Clearing Down - CLR Security Config

Forgot to mention that REMPROF /A will not delete ALL USERS profile and Default User profile, so no
need to exclude them in an exclusion list.
--
Warren Simondson

Ctrl-Alt-Del IT Consultancy Pty Ltd
Website: http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com.au

Quoting IT Support <it@polyco.co.uk>:

> Deleteprofiles.vbs works a treat and is now scheduled to run multiple
> times a day to tidy up my servers!
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> N
>
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On
> Behalf Of IT Support
> Sent: 18 December 2008 13:21
> To: 'thin@freelists.org'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Flexprofiles Not Clearing Down - CLR Security
> Config
>
> Hi Jim & All,
>
> I've already tried the new beta of uphc - no joy.
>
> You can manually delete these folders so I'll try
> DeleteProfiles.vbs...
>
> Thanks for all your help!
>
> N
>
>
>
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On
> Behalf Of Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms
> Sent: 18 December 2008 13:14
> To: thin@freelists.org
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Flexprofiles Not Clearing Down - CLR Security
> Config
>
> Well if they are locked maybe he needs to install The User Profile
> Hive Cleanup utility.
> There is now a 2.0 beta version that releases handles quite well
> (after a registry edit) See
>
> http://blogs.technet.com/uphclean/archive/2008/02/28/uphclean-v2-0-beta.aspx
>
> Jim Kenzig
> Blog: http://www.techblink.com
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Jeremy Saunders
> <Jeremy.Saunders@datacom.com.au<mailto:Jeremy.Saunders@datacom.com.au>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Are the files/folders locked by an open process/handle, or can you
> manually delete them? If they are not locked, then use Joe's
> DeleteProfiles.vbs script found here:
> http://www.theshonkproject.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=50&Itemid=30.
> My experience shows that it succeeds where Delprof and Remprof fail.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org<mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org>
> [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org<mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org>]
> On Behalf Of IT Support
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 8:46 PM
>
> To: 'thin@freelists.org<mailto:thin@freelists.org>'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Flexprofiles Not Clearing Down - CLR Security
> Config
>
>
>
> REMPROF doesn't even remove these empty folders.
>
>
>
> If I had enough hair, I would start tearing it out about now.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org<mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org>
> [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org<mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org>]
> On Behalf Of
> Jacob.Maurer@appsense.com<mailto:Jacob.Maurer@appsense.com>
> Sent: 18 December 2008 06:09
> To: thin@freelists.org<mailto:thin@freelists.org>
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Flexprofiles Not Clearing Down - CLR Security
> Config
>
>
>
> Delprof or Remprof
>
>
>
> Run as a Scheduled task every few hours'
>
>
>
>
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>
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> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org<mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org>
> [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org<mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org>]
> On Behalf Of IT Support
> Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2008 3:07 AM
> To: 'thin@freelists.org<mailto:thin@freelists.org>'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Flexprofiles Not Clearing Down - CLR Security
> Config
>
>
>
> Hi Joe,
>
>
>
> Still no joy with the latest beta (v2.0 build 2.0.49.0 (beta)).
>
>
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org<mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org>
> [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org<mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org>]
> On Behalf Of Joe Shonk
> Sent: 17 December 2008 15:30
> To: thin@freelists.org<mailto:thin@freelists.org>
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Flexprofiles Not Clearing Down - CLR Security
> Config
>
>
>
> Try 2.0
>
>
>
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org<mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org>
> [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org<mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org>]
> On Behalf Of IT Support
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 4:30 AM
> To: 'thin@freelists.org<mailto:thin@freelists.org>'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Flexprofiles Not Clearing Down - CLR Security
> Config
>
>
>
> Absolutely. Version 1.6.30 across the server farm.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jaime
>
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org<mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org>
> [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org<mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org>]
> On Behalf Of Andy Friar
> Sent: 17 December 2008 11:09
> To: thin@freelists.org<mailto:thin@freelists.org>
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Flexprofiles Not Clearing Down - CLR Security
> Config
>
>
>
> I'm assuming you've got UPHClean installed?
>
>
>
> Rgds
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org<mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org>
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> On Behalf Of IT Support
> Sent: 17 December 2008 10:30
> To: 'thin@freelists.org<mailto:thin@freelists.org>'
> Subject: [THIN] Flexprofiles Not Clearing Down - CLR Security Config
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> We're using FlexProfiles on XenApp 4.5 and have started getting an
> issue with local profiles not being deleted on logoff.
>
>
>
> The orphaned profiles just contain one empty folder structure:
>
>
>
> %userprofile%\Application Data\Microsoft\CLR Security
> Config\v2.0.50727.832
>
>
>
> Has anyone else had this & can advise the troubleshooting steps?
>
>
>
> Much appreciated.
>
>
>
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[THIN] Re: Flexprofiles Not Clearing Down - CLR Security Config

Yes, you're quite right - REMPROF didn't delete stray partial profiles from the local drive because once a
profile file structure has lost its core elements like NTUSER.DAT, it can no longer be deemed as a
profile with any form of SID, instead it is just a clump of abndoned files.

Previously REMPROF /A would delete profiles that had no username association. i.e. The username had
been deleted in Active Directory but a profile still existed in form of a SID.

After experiencing first hand how many times profiles do not clear properly on exit and leave a partial
file strcuture behind, I have modified REMPROF to also delete these abandoned file structures. So now
you can clear out your documents and settings area and just keep the profiles that should be there.

Download the latest version of REMPROF from http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com.au/CAD_TSUtils.htm and run
REMPROF /A from a command line.

You can a also schedule this to run on a regular basis.

I hope that helps everyone.

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Website: http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com.au

Quoting IT Support <it@polyco.co.uk>:

Friday, December 19, 2008

[THIN] Re: Limit 1 instance per user

Unintstall the 3001 post HRP3 fix. It breaks the "single instance"
funcionality.

Pat coughlin

On 12/19/08, Christopher Wilson <christofire@gmail.com> wrote:
> I verified there was no disconnected session. I'll have to check if the
> process could still be hung with no active or disconnected sessions.
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Jason Patten <jasoncitrix@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Do they happen to have a disconnected session hanging out there somewhere?
>> Can you verify that the Process is actually terminated and not hung on the
>> server?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Christopher Wilson <
>> christofire@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> XenApp 5 for 2003 - we have numerous apps in a new farm where the "Allow
>>> only one instance of application for each user" restriction has been set.
>>> We are finding that users are being denied login to the server with an
>>> error
>>> that they already have the application open, when it can be verified in
>>> the
>>> AMC they have zero instances of that published app running.
>>> Anyone seen this before?
>>>
>>
>>
>

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[THIN] Re: Citrix - Harddisk Specification

The question is, is the pagefile being used that much? If so, then why?
Overall, it still isn't going to make a difference. With RAID 0 or 1 you
are going to be accessing two spindle on every read. Not so if they are
operating independently. You are limiting yourself to 1 read for the
pagefile and 1 read for the OS at any given time. And again, how many page
fault are you encountering? If it's that big of an issue, then it's time to
add more RAM.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Matt Kosht
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:28 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Citrix - Harddisk Specification

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok... So it's fair to say that the Dell RAID Controllers have progressed
> since the NT 4.0 days? If you end up losing the RAID set who cares? It's
a
> terminal server. If Fault Tolerance isn't an issue, then I would argue
that
> RAID 0 will give you better performance over two independent spindles.
I would disagree. If your disk arms (both of them are predominantly
hitting the page file) you have created latency for other non-paging
disk activities. System may page faster but apps and other binaries
are waiting for disk time due to waiting on near constant paging
activity. It' probably hair splitting at this point dedicated spindle
for paging vs. just RAID0 but this config works well for me.

>
> It's not the form factor that causing the drives to fail, but the
excessive
> heat generated by blades/chassis. Not to mention vibrations.
>
> Performance Hit with SAN? Yes, this thread has been through this
argument.
> With the right system, it's even faster. 15k SAS drives are great, except
> when you factor in the crappy SAS controllers.
>
> SSD give great performance on reads, but not much of an advantage on
writes.
> It all depends on your workloads.
>
> As far as virtualization goes... Sure there is overhead. But can a single
> 32-bit Terminal server take advantage of a quad-core processor? Or more
> likely 8-cores in box? At the moment, the hardware has outpaced the
> operating system. Even with x64 system, how many users do you really want
> to pack on single OS instance?

Correct. I am actually talking (4) 32 bit TS/XE servers on 1 physical
blade (using a bare metal hypervisor like Hyper-V) as it will be able
to actually use all of that horsepower. x64 breaks some of our apps,
so for now it's out of the picture. If you have the resources why not
use it?
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[THIN] Re: Citrix - Harddisk Specification

> Right now the available hardware is more than you can effectively use with
> standard TS/XA workloads. Especially if you stick with 32bit OS you are
> actually gaining more resources by carving up that new quad core 16-32GB box
> rather than maxing it out with a local OS. 64bit is a different story but so
> far we have virtually no 64 bit adoptions at our customer sites....
>
Precisely my point. Use a hypervisor to split up a dual Quad core into
4 usable 32 bit VM's. This maximizes the use of the hardware.
Improving user density saves money (power, admin costs, cooling, etc.)
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[THIN] Re: Citrix - Harddisk Specification

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok... So it's fair to say that the Dell RAID Controllers have progressed
> since the NT 4.0 days? If you end up losing the RAID set who cares? It's a
> terminal server. If Fault Tolerance isn't an issue, then I would argue that
> RAID 0 will give you better performance over two independent spindles.
I would disagree. If your disk arms (both of them are predominantly
hitting the page file) you have created latency for other non-paging
disk activities. System may page faster but apps and other binaries
are waiting for disk time due to waiting on near constant paging
activity. It' probably hair splitting at this point dedicated spindle
for paging vs. just RAID0 but this config works well for me.

>
> It's not the form factor that causing the drives to fail, but the excessive
> heat generated by blades/chassis. Not to mention vibrations.
>
> Performance Hit with SAN? Yes, this thread has been through this argument.
> With the right system, it's even faster. 15k SAS drives are great, except
> when you factor in the crappy SAS controllers.
>
> SSD give great performance on reads, but not much of an advantage on writes.
> It all depends on your workloads.
>
> As far as virtualization goes... Sure there is overhead. But can a single
> 32-bit Terminal server take advantage of a quad-core processor? Or more
> likely 8-cores in box? At the moment, the hardware has outpaced the
> operating system. Even with x64 system, how many users do you really want
> to pack on single OS instance?

[THIN] Re: 2 printers showing up for clients

Joe, unfortuantely the citrix policy did not correct the problem.

Tried one of the other suggestions.

I renamed the pc's Microsoft Office Document Image Writer to Microsoft Office Document Image Writerii and it did not map.

Renamed it back came back.

I checked Driver mappings nothing in the console related to this printer.

PS I am sure it is on the server but it is also showing up as a printer mapped to the client.

Regards,
Doug Stratton, Shared Service BC
Service Desk Email: 77000@gov.bc.ca
Service Desk Tel: (250)387-7000

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Joe Shonk
Sent: December 19, 2008 10:59 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2 printers showing up for clients

Try setting your Citrix Policies. You should get the results you’re after.

Joe

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Stratton, Doug ISMC:EX
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:35 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2 printers showing up for clients

Nope no citrix policy.

Possibly GP? Not sure where that would be set.

I just don't get why 2 and not all local printers if that is what is causing it.

I for example have 5 or 6 local printers. Just the 2 get mapped.

Regards,
Doug Stratton, Shared Service BC
Service Desk Email: 77000@gov.bc.ca
Service Desk Tel: (250)387-7000

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Joe Shonk
Sent: December 19, 2008 10:10 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2 printers showing up for clients

Ok, you have the ICA listener setup for one printer… What about your Citrix Policies in the PSMC?

Joe

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Stratton, Doug ISMC:EX
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:31 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2 printers showing up for clients

As i mentioned we are getting 2 printers per user in each session.

One network printer which is the default on the pc they are logging in from.

Also a second printer which is not default and is the Microsoft ..... printer.

We have the ica listener set to only map the default printer which the Microsoft printer is not.

Regards,
Doug Stratton, Shared Service BC
Service Desk Email: 77000@gov.bc.ca
Service Desk Tel: (250)387-7000

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Saunders
Sent: December 18, 2008 2:24 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2 printers showing up for clients

But that’s a client printer mapping because the Users have Office installed locally on their client devices.

Cheers,

Jeremy.

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Stratton, Doug ISMC:EX
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 7:09 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2 printers showing up for clients

It is but the ones I am want to get rid of are the ones that are showing as users version of "local" printers on the server

Looks like this: "Microsoft Office Document Image Writer (from ws0000007) in session 4 Ready Auto Retained Client printer......"

Regards,
Doug Stratton, Shared Service BC
Service Desk Email: 77000@gov.bc.ca
Service Desk Tel: (250)387-7000

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Robert K Coffman Jr. -Info From Data Corp.
Sent: December 18, 2008 11:09 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2 printers showing up for clients

Check to see if the Office Document Image writer is installed as a local printer on your Term Servers.

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[THIN] Re: Citrix - Harddisk Specification

The DELL Raid controller failures were real, but that was a very long time
ago. I have seen no such issues in a long time.

I agree with Joe (since we tested it together) that contention on a SAN can
be a real problem and you have design with this in mind if you go for SAN
boot for any significant number of servers. Low numbers are great, actually
better than local disk, but when you start to use up the available
bandwidth, watch out (especially with iSCSI which maxes out pretty quickly
when compared with fiber channel)

Right now the available hardware is more than you can effectively use with
standard TS/XA workloads. Especially if you stick with 32bit OS you are
actually gaining more resources by carving up that new quad core 16-32GB box
rather than maxing it out with a local OS. 64bit is a different story but so
far we have virtually no 64 bit adoptions at our customer sites....

Don't' get me started about efficiency because then I will start talking
about Virtuozzo again and then Rick will start talking about the Provision
Networks broker for Virtuozzo... :)

Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
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Scottsdale, AZ 85266
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-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Joe Shonk
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:59 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Citrix - Harddisk Specification

Ok... So it's fair to say that the Dell RAID Controllers have progressed
since the NT 4.0 days? If you end up losing the RAID set who cares? It's a
terminal server. If Fault Tolerance isn't an issue, then I would argue that
RAID 0 will give you better performance over two independent spindles.

It's not the form factor that causing the drives to fail, but the excessive
heat generated by blades/chassis. Not to mention vibrations.

Performance Hit with SAN? Yes, this thread has been through this argument.
With the right system, it's even faster. 15k SAS drives are great, except
when you factor in the crappy SAS controllers.

SSD give great performance on reads, but not much of an advantage on writes.
It all depends on your workloads.

As far as virtualization goes... Sure there is overhead. But can a single
32-bit Terminal server take advantage of a quad-core processor? Or more
likely 8-cores in box? At the moment, the hardware has outpaced the
operating system. Even with x64 system, how many users do you really want
to pack on single OS instance?

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Matt Kosht
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:58 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Citrix - Harddisk Specification

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would have to disagree... What kind of RAID controllers are you using?
If
> I experienced faulty RAID controllers like that, I would be on the phone
> with the vendor. If there is no resolution, then it's time to switch
> vendors.

Of course I have and would try to resolve such issues, but by then
it's too late... it didn't work! This was an issue with early Dell
servers I used in the past (We're talking NT 4.0). I haven't had it
since. My point was simply that no technology is bulletproof.

> Second, it's a nice idea that Autosaves and checkpoints are going to save
> the user's work.. But it's simply not practical... It doesn't work quite
> that way. Data gets losts, databases/indexes get corrupted, users get
> frustrated.
I don't disagree. My point is it may be marginally safer to run RAID
on term server, but at a direct cost to performance.

>
> If you are using blades, all the more reason to use raid. Drives placed
in
> blades have a higher failure rate.
>
I didn't know that. Why is that? 2.5" drives fail more than larger
ones? Does that still hold true of the newer blades that have SSD's?

> Personally, I'm from the boot from SAN methodology. And with most
projects
> going virtual we will see more and more of this.

Nobody has been able to sell me on boot from SAN for Term servers
specifically. Though being able to just slap in a new server and have
it boot without much setup is appealing. What kind of performance hit
is there to read/write to page file on a SAN volume vs. using a
direct attached 15K SAS?

Virtualizating a Term Server? I have thought about it, but just can't
get past 15-20% hypervisor overhead hit on something I know is going
to run full tilt disk and CPU. I also run a few test term servers on
VMWare ESX from a SAN and they run very slowly.

I have thought about getting a dual quad core with 16GB RAM , SSD's
and using a bare metal hypervisor to have 4 32 bit term servers each
dedicated with 2 VCPU's, 4GB RAM. I would do all of it locally on the
SSD's as I am thinkin that this would give the best performance. Just
on paper mind you. Anyone tried this or something similar?
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[THIN] Re: Citrix - Harddisk Specification

for maximum performance put the page file on a solid-state disk

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Toby <toby.percival@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi List,

Would there be a noticeable performance increase if we purchased 4 x 72gb SAS 15k disks, RAID 1 for the OS, with a page file on each of the other two disks, or 3 x 146gb SAS 10k disk, RAID 1 for the OS, and a single disk for a single page file?

Two questions really;
Would you recommend 72gb 15 k or 146gb 10k?
Two page files per Citrix server with two physical disks or 1 page file with one physical disk?

Many thanks,
Toby

[THIN] Re: Citrix - Harddisk Specification

It's not the form factor that causing the drives to fail, but the excessive
heat generated by blades/chassis. Not to mention vibrations.

Performance Hit with SAN? Yes, this thread has been through this argument.
With the right system, it's even faster. 15k SAS drives are great, except
when you factor in the crappy SAS controllers.

SSD give great performance on reads, but not much of an advantage on writes.
It all depends on your workloads.

Joe

> Personally, I'm from the boot from SAN methodology. And with most
projects
> going virtual we will see more and more of this.

[THIN] Re: Citrix - Harddisk Specification

I am presently running a 32 bit W2K3 PS4 server on ESX3.5 in my published app. My users do not know the difference between it and the physical servers. Performance is the same, if not better. The host ESX server is a Dell 1950 2GHz dual quad-core XEON. The Citrix server has 2GB of RAM allocated to it. The Virtual Citrix server lives on an iSCSI Dell EqualLogic SAN.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Matt Kosht <matt.kosht@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would have to disagree... What kind of RAID controllers are you using? If
> I experienced faulty RAID controllers like that, I would be on the phone
> with the vendor. If there is no resolution, then it's time to switch
> vendors.

Of course I have and would try to resolve such issues, but by then
it's too late... it didn't work! This was an issue with early Dell
servers I used in the past (We're talking NT 4.0). I haven't had it
since. My point was simply that no technology is bulletproof.

> Second, it's a nice idea that Autosaves and checkpoints are going to save
> the user's work.. But it's simply not practical... It doesn't work quite
> that way. Data gets losts, databases/indexes get corrupted, users get
> frustrated.
I don't disagree. My point is it may be marginally safer to run RAID
on term server, but at a direct cost to performance.

>
> If you are using blades, all the more reason to use raid. Drives placed in
> blades have a higher failure rate.
>
I didn't know that. Why is that? 2.5" drives fail more than larger
ones? Does that still hold true of the newer blades that have SSD's?

> Personally, I'm from the boot from SAN methodology. And with most projects
> going virtual we will see more and more of this.

Nobody has been able to sell me on boot from SAN for Term servers
specifically. Though being able to just slap in a new server and have
it boot without much setup is appealing. What kind of performance hit
is there to read/write to page file on a SAN volume vs. using a
direct attached 15K SAS?

Virtualizating a Term Server? I have thought about it, but just can't
get past 15-20% hypervisor overhead hit on something I know is going
to run full tilt disk and CPU. I also run a few test term servers on
VMWare ESX from a SAN and they run very slowly.

I have thought about getting a dual quad core with 16GB RAM , SSD's
and using a bare metal hypervisor to have 4 32 bit term servers each
dedicated with 2 VCPU's, 4GB RAM. I would do all of it locally on the
SSD's as I am thinkin that this would give the best performance. Just
on paper mind you. Anyone tried this or something similar?
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[THIN] Re: 2 printers showing up for clients

Try setting your Citrix Policies. You should get the results you’re after.

Joe

Nope no citrix policy.

Possibly GP? Not sure where that would be set.

I just don't get why 2 and not all local printers if that is what is causing it.

I for example have 5 or 6 local printers. Just the 2 get mapped.

Regards,
Doug Stratton, Shared Service BC
Service Desk Email: 77000@gov.bc.ca
Service Desk Tel: (250)387-7000

Ok, you have the ICA listener setup for one printer… What about your Citrix Policies in the PSMC?

Joe

As i mentioned we are getting 2 printers per user in each session.

One network printer which is the default on the pc they are logging in from.

Also a second printer which is not default and is the Microsoft ..... printer.

We have the ica listener set to only map the default printer which the Microsoft printer is not.

Regards,
Doug Stratton, Shared Service BC
Service Desk Email: 77000@gov.bc.ca
Service Desk Tel: (250)387-7000

But that’s a client printer mapping because the Users have Office installed locally on their client devices.

Cheers,

Jeremy.

It is but the ones I am want to get rid of are the ones that are showing as users version of "local" printers on the server

Looks like this: "Microsoft Office Document Image Writer (from ws0000007) in session 4 Ready Auto Retained Client printer......"

Regards,
Doug Stratton, Shared Service BC
Service Desk Email: 77000@gov.bc.ca
Service Desk Tel: (250)387-7000

Check to see if the Office Document Image writer is installed as a local printer on your Term Servers.

[THIN] Re: 2 printers showing up for clients

are you sure the Microsoft printer isn't local to the Citrix server? If you installed office, it would put on there by default.

Greg

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Stratton, Doug ISMC:EX <Doug.M.Stratton@gov.bc.ca> wrote:

Nope no citrix policy.

Possibly GP? Not sure where that would be set.

I just don't get why 2 and not all local printers if that is what is causing it.

I for example have 5 or 6 local printers. Just the 2 get mapped.

Regards,
Doug Stratton, Shared Service BC
Service Desk Email: 77000@gov.bc.ca
Service Desk Tel: (250)387-7000

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Joe Shonk
Sent: December 19, 2008 10:10 AM

To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2 printers showing up for clients

Ok, you have the ICA listener setup for one printer… What about your Citrix Policies in the PSMC?

Joe

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Stratton, Doug ISMC:EX
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:31 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2 printers showing up for clients

As i mentioned we are getting 2 printers per user in each session.

One network printer which is the default on the pc they are logging in from.

Also a second printer which is not default and is the Microsoft ..... printer.

We have the ica listener set to only map the default printer which the Microsoft printer is not.

Regards,
Doug Stratton, Shared Service BC
Service Desk Email: 77000@gov.bc.ca
Service Desk Tel: (250)387-7000

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Saunders
Sent: December 18, 2008 2:24 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2 printers showing up for clients

But that's a client printer mapping because the Users have Office installed locally on their client devices.

Cheers,

Jeremy.

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Stratton, Doug ISMC:EX
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 7:09 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2 printers showing up for clients

It is but the ones I am want to get rid of are the ones that are showing as users version of "local" printers on the server

Looks like this: "Microsoft Office Document Image Writer (from ws0000007) in session 4 Ready Auto Retained Client printer......"

Regards,
Doug Stratton, Shared Service BC
Service Desk Email: 77000@gov.bc.ca
Service Desk Tel: (250)387-7000

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Robert K Coffman Jr. -Info From Data Corp.
Sent: December 18, 2008 11:09 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2 printers showing up for clients

Check to see if the Office Document Image writer is installed as a local printer on your Term Servers.

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[THIN] Re: Citrix - Harddisk Specification

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would have to disagree... What kind of RAID controllers are you using? If
> I experienced faulty RAID controllers like that, I would be on the phone
> with the vendor. If there is no resolution, then it's time to switch
> vendors.

>
> If you are using blades, all the more reason to use raid. Drives placed in
> blades have a higher failure rate.
>
I didn't know that. Why is that? 2.5" drives fail more than larger
ones? Does that still hold true of the newer blades that have SSD's?

> Personally, I'm from the boot from SAN methodology. And with most projects
> going virtual we will see more and more of this.

[THIN] Re: 2 printers showing up for clients

>I for example have 5 or 6 local printers. Just the 2 get mapped.

I'm curious - if you rename the local version of that printer, does it still map?

[THIN] Re: 2 printers showing up for clients

Nope no citrix policy.

Possibly GP? Not sure where that would be set.

I just don't get why 2 and not all local printers if that is what is causing it.

I for example have 5 or 6 local printers. Just the 2 get mapped.

Regards,
Doug Stratton, Shared Service BC
Service Desk Email: 77000@gov.bc.ca
Service Desk Tel: (250)387-7000

Ok, you have the ICA listener setup for one printer… What about your Citrix Policies in the PSMC?

Joe

As i mentioned we are getting 2 printers per user in each session.

One network printer which is the default on the pc they are logging in from.

Also a second printer which is not default and is the Microsoft ..... printer.

We have the ica listener set to only map the default printer which the Microsoft printer is not.

Regards,
Doug Stratton, Shared Service BC
Service Desk Email: 77000@gov.bc.ca
Service Desk Tel: (250)387-7000

But that’s a client printer mapping because the Users have Office installed locally on their client devices.

Cheers,

Jeremy.

It is but the ones I am want to get rid of are the ones that are showing as users version of "local" printers on the server

Looks like this: "Microsoft Office Document Image Writer (from ws0000007) in session 4 Ready Auto Retained Client printer......"

Regards,
Doug Stratton, Shared Service BC
Service Desk Email: 77000@gov.bc.ca
Service Desk Tel: (250)387-7000

Check to see if the Office Document Image writer is installed as a local printer on your Term Servers.

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