ThinList Blog: 2008-09-07

Friday, September 12, 2008

[THIN] Re: New Microsoft commercial

Ok....

I'm on my phone so can't pound out too much but...

1. I love vista! In my hardware it streams compared to xp

2. You guys have been talking about this commercial for the entire day. So they are doing their job!!!!!

Ok back to family time!!

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2008, at 7:50 PM, "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@thinclient.net> wrote:

Agreed, I will laugh and enjoy them, but I won't use Vista !!!

Steve Greenberg

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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Michael Pardee
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 4:43 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: New Microsoft commercial

I agree. I think Gates has become pretty funny the way he is openly willing to make fun of himself. As a guy who has switched to OS X for everything my family does at home, I think the ads aren't bad and I bet they get better. I guess I'm just too old because I also think Jerry is still pretty funny. They are building an entire theme here and I think it's pretty entertaining. The ads won't get me running towards Vista, but I doubt I am their target audience.

On Sep 12, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Steve Greenberg wrote:

I hate to be positive here J, but I think it is really funny and let's give some credit here- Bill Gates willing to make fun of himself? That is a huge transformation from the days of the Evil Empire and lying in court!!!!

Steve Greenberg

<image002.jpg>Thin Client Computing

34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453

Scottsdale, AZ 85266

(602) 432-8649

www.thinclient.net

steveg@thinclient.net

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Greg Reese
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:07 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: New Microsoft commercial

i think the goal is to get people talking about it so they aren't talking about Macs anymore. which from that aspect, seems to be working.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms <jkenzig@gmail.com> wrote:

OMFG

That's still not going to fix Vista's problems now is it?

What the hell are they thinking?

Jim Kenzig
Blog: http://www.techblink.com

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Greg Reese <gareese@> wrote:

its the same a company that brought us the Miller Lite man laws and the plastic burger king guy.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Peterson David <> wrote:

If you haven't seen the new commercial, its on Microsoft.com....at least the web version is longer (4 minutes) and stranger than the last. Haven't seen it on TV yet.

Fortunately no adjusting of the shorts, but there is a new sign, and a pedicure, and plaid.

And more leather.

[THIN] Re: New Microsoft commercial

Agreed, I will laugh and enjoy them, but I won’t use Vista !!!

Steve Greenberg

Thin Client Computing

34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453

Scottsdale, AZ 85266

(602) 432-8649

www.thinclient.net

steveg@thinclient.net

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Michael Pardee
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 4:43 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: New Microsoft commercial

I agree. I think Gates has become pretty funny the way he is openly willing to make fun of himself. As a guy who has switched to OS X for everything my family does at home, I think the ads aren't bad and I bet they get better. I guess I'm just too old because I also think Jerry is still pretty funny. They are building an entire theme here and I think it's pretty entertaining. The ads won't get me running towards Vista, but I doubt I am their target audience.

On Sep 12, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Steve Greenberg wrote:

I hate to be positive here J, but I think it is really funny and let’s give some credit here- Bill Gates willing to make fun of himself? That is a huge transformation from the days of the Evil Empire and lying in court!!!!

Steve Greenberg

<image002.jpg>Thin Client Computing

34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453

Scottsdale, AZ 85266

(602) 432-8649

www.thinclient.net

steveg@thinclient.net

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Greg Reese
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:07 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: New Microsoft commercial

i think the goal is to get people talking about it so they aren't talking about Macs anymore. which from that aspect, seems to be working.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms <jkenzig@gmail.com> wrote:

OMFG

That's still not going to fix Vista's problems now is it?

What the hell are they thinking?

Jim Kenzig
Blog: http://www.techblink.com

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Greg Reese <gareese@> wrote:

its the same a company that brought us the Miller Lite man laws and the plastic burger king guy.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Peterson David <> wrote:

If you haven't seen the new commercial, its on Microsoft.com....at least the web version is longer (4 minutes) and stranger than the last. Haven't seen it on TV yet.

Fortunately no adjusting of the shorts, but there is a new sign, and a pedicure, and plaid.

And more leather.

[THIN] Re: New Microsoft commercial

On Sep 12, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Steve Greenberg wrote:

I hate to be positive here J, but I think it is really funny and let's give some credit here- Bill Gates willing to make fun of himself? That is a huge transformation from the days of the Evil Empire and lying in court!!!!

Steve Greenberg
<image002.jpg>Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85266
(602) 432-8649
www.thinclient.net
steveg@thinclient.net

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Greg Reese
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:07 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: New Microsoft commercial

i think the goal is to get people talking about it so they aren't talking about Macs anymore. which from that aspect, seems to be working.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms <jkenzig@gmail.com> wrote:
OMFG
That's still not going to fix Vista's problems now is it?
What the hell are they thinking?

Jim Kenzig
Blog: http://www.techblink.com

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Greg Reese <gareese@> wrote:
its the same a company that brought us the Miller Lite man laws and the plastic burger king guy.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Peterson David <> wrote:
If you haven't seen the new commercial, its on Microsoft.com....at least the web version is longer (4 minutes) and stranger than the last. Haven't seen it on TV yet.

Fortunately no adjusting of the shorts, but there is a new sign, and a pedicure, and plaid.

And more leather.

[THIN] Re: New Microsoft commercial

Steve Greenberg

Thin Client Computing

34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453

Scottsdale, AZ 85266

(602) 432-8649

www.thinclient.net

steveg@thinclient.net

i think the goal is to get people talking about it so they aren't talking about Macs anymore. which from that aspect, seems to be working.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms <jkenzig@gmail.com> wrote:

OMFG

That's still not going to fix Vista's problems now is it?

What the hell are they thinking?

Jim Kenzig
Blog: http://www.techblink.com

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Greg Reese <gareese@> wrote:

its the same a company that brought us the Miller Lite man laws and the plastic burger king guy.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Peterson David <> wrote:

If you haven't seen the new commercial, its on Microsoft.com....at least the web version is longer (4 minutes) and stranger than the last. Haven't seen it on TV yet.

Fortunately no adjusting of the shorts, but there is a new sign, and a pedicure, and plaid.

And more leather.

[THIN] Re: Office 2007

This is definitely interesting. I had heard that Office2007 used twice the resources as Office2003. I use it daily on Windows2003 terminal services/XenApp 4.5 and it works well, but Outlook2007 seems to have its challenges with performance and just seems to go out to lunch on me every once in a while. Looking forward to trying it on Windows2008 once we get our license server up.

On Sep 12, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Nick Smith wrote:

My experience, of about 200 users in loads of different offices and industries, is that most users swear for about 3-4 hours till they work out there's no File Menu any more, and then love it.

Where we've given people the option of testing it, not one has gone backwards.

Particularly, we've had people literally *begging* to move to Powerpoint 2007. Dunno why, as I don't use it, but those who do that sort of thing love it.

Stabililty in Ts is fine, uses a bit more RAM than 2003 – you may get say 10% less users per box if Office is your primary app- , though interestingly I've noticed it apparently using less Ram on a 64-bit Windows 2008 TS (Whereas Office 2003 uses stupid amounts on a 64-bit Windows 2003).

Nick

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Greg Reese
Sent: 12 September 2008 15:59
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Office 2007

i can't get used to that damn ribbon. I think that just as Vista was a step backward to XP, Office 2007 is a step backwards to Office 2003. I'm talking in terms of users trying to get their work done and earn a paycheck. From a technical perspective, i understand the improvements, security, etc, etc.

But most users don't care about that. Either it helps them do their jobs easier and faster or it doesn't. Office 2007 slows them down.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Russell Robertson <russell@virtualstream.co.uk> wrote:
I'll second that – once you get used to the Ribbon it's actually not too bad. I can't go back to Outlook 2003 now. Also works fine in PS 4.0/4.5

Russell
Russell Robertson | Virtual Stream | Microsoft, Citrix and VMware advisers |

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jay Schaefer
Sent: 12 September 2008 14:42

To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Office 2007

We've been using Office 2007 in our Citrix Environment (4.5) for a while now. Behaves better than Office 97 if you ask me. Works just fine with Windows XP too.

Jay
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Minero, Hector B CIV NSWCDD, K55 <hector.minero@navy.mil> wrote:

We're considering going to Office 2007 next year, but I've heard so many stories about programs crashing (more than usual) and I personally don't like the new Interface (no toolbars).
Does Office 2007 work okay in a Citrix environment?
Does it work well on Windows XP?
Are most people waiting for the next version, or switch completely to another product?
We don't to go ahead and spend so much money on something that does not work.
I have Office 2007 on a Vista PC at home, I've had no major problems with it ( I don't use Outlook). I hate the new Interface, but that's all.
Thanks,
_______________________________
Hector Minero
NSWCDD K55

[THIN] Re: New Microsoft commercial

i think the goal is to get people talking about it so they aren't talking about Macs anymore. which from that aspect, seems to be working.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms <jkenzig@gmail.com> wrote:

OMFG

That's still not going to fix Vista's problems now is it?

What the hell are they thinking?

Jim Kenzig
Blog: http://www.techblink.com

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Greg Reese <gareese@> wrote:

its the same a company that brought us the Miller Lite man laws and the plastic burger king guy.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Peterson David <> wrote:

If you haven't seen the new commercial, its on Microsoft.com....at least the web version is longer (4 minutes) and stranger than the last. Haven't seen it on TV yet.

Fortunately no adjusting of the shorts, but there is a new sign, and a pedicure, and plaid.

And more leather.

[THIN] Re: New Microsoft commercial

OMFG

That's still not going to fix Vista's problems now is it?

What the hell are they thinking?

Jim Kenzig
Blog: http://www.techblink.com

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Greg Reese <gareese@> wrote:

its the same a company that brought us the Miller Lite man laws and the plastic burger king guy.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Peterson David <> wrote:

If you haven't seen the new commercial, its on Microsoft.com....at least the web version is longer (4 minutes) and stranger than the last. Haven't seen it on TV yet.

Fortunately no adjusting of the shorts, but there is a new sign, and a pedicure, and plaid.

And more leather.

[THIN] Re: Office 2007

oooh....no pst files. that is an upshot.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Steve Snyder <kwajalein@gmail.com> wrote:

I was toying with it for a while until the forces of eveel triumphed. Only real issue that I didn't have time to try and resolve is Outlook 2007 looks real ugly published. Upshot - the GPO for Office2007 allows you to kill PST files.

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Minero, Hector B CIV NSWCDD, K55 <hector.minero@navy.mil> wrote:

We're considering going to Office 2007 next year, but I've heard so many stories about programs crashing (more than usual) and I personally don't like the new Interface (no toolbars).

Does Office 2007 work okay in a Citrix environment?
Does it work well on Windows XP?
Are most people waiting for the next version, or switch completely to another product?

We don't to go ahead and spend so much money on something that does not work.
I have Office 2007 on a Vista PC at home, I've had no major problems with it ( I don't use Outlook). I hate the new Interface, but that's all.

Thanks,

_______________________________
Hector Minero
NSWCDD K55

[THIN] Re: Office 2007

I was toying with it for a while until the forces of eveel triumphed. Only real issue that I didn't have time to try and resolve is Outlook 2007 looks real ugly published. Upshot - the GPO for Office2007 allows you to kill PST files.

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Minero, Hector B CIV NSWCDD, K55 <hector.minero@navy.mil> wrote:

We're considering going to Office 2007 next year, but I've heard so many stories about programs crashing (more than usual) and I personally don't like the new Interface (no toolbars).

Does Office 2007 work okay in a Citrix environment?
Does it work well on Windows XP?
Are most people waiting for the next version, or switch completely to another product?

We don't to go ahead and spend so much money on something that does not work.
I have Office 2007 on a Vista PC at home, I've had no major problems with it ( I don't use Outlook). I hate the new Interface, but that's all.

Thanks,

_______________________________
Hector Minero
NSWCDD K55

[THIN] Re: Office 2007

Interesting.

Thanks,

_______________________________
Hector Minero
NSWCDD K55

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Nick Smith
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 12:13 PM
To: 'thin@freelists.org'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Office 2007

My experience, of about 200 users in loads of different offices and industries, is that most users swear for about 3-4 hours till they work out there’s no File Menu any more, and then love it.

Where we’ve given people the option of testing it, not one has gone backwards.

Particularly, we’ve had people literally *begging* to move to Powerpoint 2007. Dunno why, as I don’t use it, but those who do that sort of thing love it.

Stabililty in Ts is fine, uses a bit more RAM than 2003 – you may get say 10% less users per box if Office is your primary app- , though interestingly I’ve noticed it apparently using less Ram on a 64-bit Windows 2008 TS (Whereas Office 2003 uses stupid amounts on a 64-bit Windows 2003).

Nick

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Greg Reese
Sent: 12 September 2008 15:59
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Office 2007

i can't get used to that damn ribbon. I think that just as Vista was a step backward to XP, Office 2007 is a step backwards to Office 2003. I'm talking in terms of users trying to get their work done and earn a paycheck. From a technical perspective, i understand the improvements, security, etc, etc.

But most users don't care about that. Either it helps them do their jobs easier and faster or it doesn't. Office 2007 slows them down.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Russell Robertson <russell@virtualstream.co.uk> wrote:

I'll second that – once you get used to the Ribbon it's actually not too bad. I can't go back to Outlook 2003 now. Also works fine in PS 4.0/4.5

Russell

Russell Robertson | Virtual Stream | Microsoft, Citrix and VMware advisers |

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jay Schaefer
Sent: 12 September 2008 14:42

To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Office 2007

We've been using Office 2007 in our Citrix Environment (4.5) for a while now. Behaves better than Office 97 if you ask me. Works just fine with Windows XP too.

Jay

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Minero, Hector B CIV NSWCDD, K55 <hector.minero@navy.mil> wrote:

We're considering going to Office 2007 next year, but I've heard so many stories about programs crashing (more than usual) and I personally don't like the new Interface (no toolbars).

Does Office 2007 work okay in a Citrix environment?
Does it work well on Windows XP?
Are most people waiting for the next version, or switch completely to another product?

We don't to go ahead and spend so much money on something that does not work.
I have Office 2007 on a Vista PC at home, I've had no major problems with it ( I don't use Outlook). I hate the new Interface, but that's all.

Thanks,

_______________________________
Hector Minero
NSWCDD K55

[THIN] Re: New Microsoft commercial

its the same a company that brought us the Miller Lite man laws and the plastic burger king guy.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Peterson David <DPETERSO@dinslaw.com> wrote:

If you haven't seen the new commercial, its on Microsoft.com....at least the web version is longer (4 minutes) and stranger than the last. Haven't seen it on TV yet.

Fortunately no adjusting of the shorts, but there is a new sign, and a pedicure, and plaid.

And more leather.

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[THIN] New Microsoft commercial

If you haven't seen the new commercial, its on Microsoft.com....at least the web version is longer (4 minutes) and stranger than the last. Haven't seen it on TV yet.

Fortunately no adjusting of the shorts, but there is a new sign, and a pedicure, and plaid.

And more leather.

NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission from the law firm of Dinsmore & Shohl may constitute an attorney-client communication that is privileged at law. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply e-mail, so that our address record can be corrected.

[THIN] Re: Office 2007

My experience, of about 200 users in loads of different offices and industries, is that most users swear for about 3-4 hours till they work out there’s no File Menu any more, and then love it.

Where we’ve given people the option of testing it, not one has gone backwards.

Particularly, we’ve had people literally *begging* to move to Powerpoint 2007. Dunno why, as I don’t use it, but those who do that sort of thing love it.

Stabililty in Ts is fine, uses a bit more RAM than 2003 – you may get say 10% less users per box if Office is your primary app- , though interestingly I’ve noticed it apparently using less Ram on a 64-bit Windows 2008 TS (Whereas Office 2003 uses stupid amounts on a 64-bit Windows 2003).

Nick

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Greg Reese
Sent: 12 September 2008 15:59
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Office 2007

i can't get used to that damn ribbon. I think that just as Vista was a step backward to XP, Office 2007 is a step backwards to Office 2003. I'm talking in terms of users trying to get their work done and earn a paycheck. From a technical perspective, i understand the improvements, security, etc, etc.

But most users don't care about that. Either it helps them do their jobs easier and faster or it doesn't. Office 2007 slows them down.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Russell Robertson <russell@virtualstream.co.uk> wrote:

I'll second that – once you get used to the Ribbon it's actually not too bad. I can't go back to Outlook 2003 now. Also works fine in PS 4.0/4.5

Russell

Russell Robertson | Virtual Stream | Microsoft, Citrix and VMware advisers |

From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jay Schaefer
Sent: 12 September 2008 14:42

To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Office 2007

We've been using Office 2007 in our Citrix Environment (4.5) for a while now. Behaves better than Office 97 if you ask me. Works just fine with Windows XP too.

Jay

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Minero, Hector B CIV NSWCDD, K55 <hector.minero@navy.mil> wrote:

We're considering going to Office 2007 next year, but I've heard so many stories about programs crashing (more than usual) and I personally don't like the new Interface (no toolbars).

Does Office 2007 work okay in a Citrix environment?
Does it work well on Windows XP?
Are most people waiting for the next version, or switch completely to another product?

We don't to go ahead and spend so much money on something that does not work.
I have Office 2007 on a Vista PC at home, I've had no major problems with it ( I don't use Outlook). I hate the new Interface, but that's all.

Thanks,

_______________________________
Hector Minero
NSWCDD K55

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