ThinList Blog: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization

Now this is an awesome blog title:

"Are you going to put your company in the hands of a white paper?"

Classic Doug Brown!

Steve Greenberg
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-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 9:29 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization

Are you going to put your company in the hands of a white paper? No, at
the end of the day you are either going to buy a lot of smaller, enterprise
class, servers or you are going to be a smaller amount of big enterprise
class servers. No matter what you are buying a lot of hardware....

Let us not forget about all the required storage, fast I/O, and a slew of
other stuff, right? With PVS you don't require as much... Not as all...

On 6/6/08 9:56 AM, "Joe Shonk" <joe.shonk@gmail.com> wrote:

> So why does VDI have to sit on a big beefy expensive box?
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
> Of Steve Greenberg
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 10:55 PM
> To: thin@freelists.org
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization
>
>
> This is a long standing debate between Joe and I . To me VDI, and most
> hypervisor virtualizations for that matter, are just not efficient enough. For
> applications that require remoting and certain kinds of processing I am sure
> there is a good match, i.e. stock traders, CAD engineers working at a
> distance, etc.
>
> The case we are pondering more and more is where remoting is needed but the
> requirements to get the application set working in TS are highly complicated.
> These may not be highly specialized apps, but apps that just don't play well
> in TS. We have made some incredibly difficult apps work together on TS, but in
> the end you have a very complicated system that is hard to upgrade and change.
> So for certain organizations that have the skills to manage a PC but not a
> complex TS environment, VDI starts to become attractive.
>
>
> One of our Bri-Forum sessions is called "Y-VDI" in which we will outline all
> the use cases we can think of that support VDI.
>
> My main issues with VDI are lack of efficiency, i.e. a really big ass server
> might support 15-20 users, that completely sucks!!
>
> This is going to be an interesting one to watch and get involved it to see
> where it really works and where it falls flat on it's face!!
>
>
>
> Steve Greenberg
> Thin Client Computing
> 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
> Scottsdale, AZ 85266
> (602) 432-8649
> www.thinclient.net
> steveg@thinclient.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
> Of Douglas A. Brown
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 9:12 PM
> To: thin@freelists.org
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization
>
> I 100% agree. VDI is a joke, I think or at least it is today. Yes, there are
> some really good use cases, although don't ask me for any ;). But there
> are... That being said in most cases you still have a fat PC so why have a
> desktop on desktop. Is that not what we liked about MetaFrame, that we don't
> need a desktop on desktop?
>
> With PVS you don't have to deal with that... It works perfect... Perfect and
> it is local and secure.. anyhoo...
>
> I think VDI will be much better in a year once the broker venders get the bugs
> worked out and can give us a native experience through a remote session and we
> can get rid of our local machine for thin clients but then you have a cultural
> issue.
>
> But, if people want to use it I will learn it...
>
>
> Again, this is why I like Provisioning Server. It is an amazing product and
> I'm blown away Citrix downplays it. XenDesktop sucks compared to PVS. It
> walks all over XenDesktop, in my view and I'm not saying XenDesktop is bad but
> I just don't need another desktop right now...
>
>
> But PVS... Now think about deploying ESX, XenSource, or Hyper-V through it and
> then deploying OSes through it and then desktops... You can do everything in
> seconds and DR is a snap.. WOW.. It is an amazing solution, period! IMHO
>
> DB
>
>
>
> Douglas A. Brown
> President and Chief Technology Officer
>
> Microsoft MVP, Windows Server
> Citrix Technology Professional
>
> DABCC, Inc.
>
> Phone: (954) 778-9558
> Fax: (941) 827-9073
>
> E-mail: dbrown@dabcc.com
> Web:

http://www.dabcc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
> Of Steve Greenberg
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:55 PM
> To: thin@freelists.org
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization
>
>
> One of my planned topics is , "Is Provisioning Server to the desktop a better
> VDI than VDI".....
>
> I think PVS is the sleeping giant at Citrix.....
>
>
> SteveG
>
>
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douglas Brown <dbrown@dabcc.com>
>
> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:23:49
> To:<thin@freelists.org>
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" of
> Virtualization
>
>
> I don't get it???
>
> But, I actaully sat down one night and wrote 4 articles, one after another.
> I had a few things I wanted to get out of me. One of those, which I will
> release next week is title, "Citrix Provisioning Server, Why it is my Favorite
> Citrix Technology"... So, that is Ardence.... But Where does Sean Penn come
> in to play?
>
>
>
>
> On 6/5/08 10:09 PM, "Greg Reese" <gareese@gmail.com <gareese@gmail.com> >
> wrote:
>
> so does that make Ardence the photog punching Sean Penn?
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Steve Greenberg <steveg@thinclient.net
> <steveg@thinclient.net> > wrote:
> Yup, they keep pushing it Over the Borderline, but let's face it, in the
> Hypervisor world Citrix is Like a Virgin….
>
>
>
>
>
> Steve Greenberg
>
> Thin Client Computing
>
> 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
>
> Scottsdale, AZ 85266
>
> (602) 432-8649
>
>

www.thinclient.net <http://www.thinclient.net <http://www.thinclient.net> >
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> steveg@thinclient.net <steveg@thinclient.net>
>
>
>
>
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>
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org <thin-bounce@freelists.org>
> [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org <mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org> ] On
> Behalf Of Jim Kenzig
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:08 PM
> To: THIN
> Subject: [THIN] Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" of Virtualization
>
>
>
> I agree!
>
> See
>
>

http://www.dabcc.com/article.aspx?id=7884
> <http://www.dabcc.com/article.aspx?id=7884>
>
>
>
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