told me about an event on June 36th so I asked, "how the heck did you guys
manage to get 6 more days in June?".... He was like, "oh my, I should have
proof read what I wrote".. I replied that I do it all the time... I sent
that reply 1 minute ago and now I go and see I made an even better type-o...
:)
So, that was suppose to be "white box"... ;)
LOL
But heck, like "Are you going to put your company in the hands of a white
paper?"
Much funnier..
On 6/6/08 12:59 PM, "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@thinclient.net> wrote:
>
> Now this is an awesome blog title:
>
> "Are you going to put your company in the hands of a white paper?"
>
>
> Classic Doug Brown!
>
>
>
>
> Steve Greenberg
> Thin Client Computing
> 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
> Scottsdale, AZ 85266
> (602) 432-8649
> www.thinclient.net
> steveg@thinclient.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
> Of Douglas Brown
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 9:29 AM
> To: thin@freelists.org
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization
>
> Are you going to put your company in the hands of a white paper? No, at
> the end of the day you are either going to buy a lot of smaller, enterprise
> class, servers or you are going to be a smaller amount of big enterprise
> class servers. No matter what you are buying a lot of hardware....
>
> Let us not forget about all the required storage, fast I/O, and a slew of
> other stuff, right? With PVS you don't require as much... Not as all...
>
>
> On 6/6/08 9:56 AM, "Joe Shonk" <joe.shonk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So why does VDI have to sit on a big beefy expensive box?
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
>> Of Steve Greenberg
>> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 10:55 PM
>> To: thin@freelists.org
>> Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna"
>> ofVirtualization
>>
>>
>> This is a long standing debate between Joe and I . To me VDI, and most
>> hypervisor virtualizations for that matter, are just not efficient enough.
>> For
>> applications that require remoting and certain kinds of processing I am sure
>> there is a good match, i.e. stock traders, CAD engineers working at a
>> distance, etc.
>>
>> The case we are pondering more and more is where remoting is needed but the
>> requirements to get the application set working in TS are highly complicated.
>> These may not be highly specialized apps, but apps that just don't play well
>> in TS. We have made some incredibly difficult apps work together on TS, but
>> in
>> the end you have a very complicated system that is hard to upgrade and
>> change.
>> So for certain organizations that have the skills to manage a PC but not a
>> complex TS environment, VDI starts to become attractive.
>>
>>
>> One of our Bri-Forum sessions is called "Y-VDI" in which we will outline all
>> the use cases we can think of that support VDI.
>>
>> My main issues with VDI are lack of efficiency, i.e. a really big ass server
>> might support 15-20 users, that completely sucks!!
>>
>> This is going to be an interesting one to watch and get involved it to see
>> where it really works and where it falls flat on it's face!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Greenberg
>> Thin Client Computing
>> 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
>> Scottsdale, AZ 85266
>> (602) 432-8649
>> www.thinclient.net
>> steveg@thinclient.net
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
>> Of Douglas A. Brown
>> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 9:12 PM
>> To: thin@freelists.org
>> Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna"
>> ofVirtualization
>>
>> I 100% agree. VDI is a joke, I think or at least it is today. Yes, there
>> are
>> some really good use cases, although don't ask me for any ;). But there
>> are... That being said in most cases you still have a fat PC so why have a
>> desktop on desktop. Is that not what we liked about MetaFrame, that we don't
>> need a desktop on desktop?
>>
>> With PVS you don't have to deal with that... It works perfect... Perfect
>> and
>> it is local and secure.. anyhoo...
>>
>> I think VDI will be much better in a year once the broker venders get the
>> bugs
>> worked out and can give us a native experience through a remote session and
>> we
>> can get rid of our local machine for thin clients but then you have a
>> cultural
>> issue.
>>
>> But, if people want to use it I will learn it...
>>
>>
>> Again, this is why I like Provisioning Server. It is an amazing product and
>> I'm blown away Citrix downplays it. XenDesktop sucks compared to PVS. It
>> walks all over XenDesktop, in my view and I'm not saying XenDesktop is bad
>> but
>> I just don't need another desktop right now...
>>
>>
>> But PVS... Now think about deploying ESX, XenSource, or Hyper-V through it
>> and
>> then deploying OSes through it and then desktops... You can do everything in
>> seconds and DR is a snap.. WOW.. It is an amazing solution, period! IMHO
>>
>> DB
>>
>>
>>
>> Douglas A. Brown
>> President and Chief Technology Officer
>>
>> Microsoft MVP, Windows Server
>> Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> DABCC, Inc.
>>
>> Phone: (954) 778-9558
>> Fax: (941) 827-9073
>>
>> E-mail: dbrown@dabcc.com
>> Web:
http://www.dabcc.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
>> Of Steve Greenberg
>> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:55 PM
>> To: thin@freelists.org
>> Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna"
>> ofVirtualization
>>
>>
>> One of my planned topics is , "Is Provisioning Server to the desktop a better
>> VDI than VDI".....
>>
>> I think PVS is the sleeping giant at Citrix.....
>>
>>
>> SteveG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Douglas Brown <dbrown@dabcc.com>
>>
>> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:23:49
>> To:<thin@freelists.org>
>> Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" of
>> Virtualization
>>
>>
>> I don't get it???
>>
>> But, I actaully sat down one night and wrote 4 articles, one after another.
>> I had a few things I wanted to get out of me. One of those, which I will
>> release next week is title, "Citrix Provisioning Server, Why it is my
>> Favorite
>> Citrix Technology"... So, that is Ardence.... But Where does Sean Penn come
>> in to play?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/5/08 10:09 PM, "Greg Reese" <gareese@gmail.com <gareese@gmail.com> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> so does that make Ardence the photog punching Sean Penn?
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Steve Greenberg <steveg@thinclient.net
>> <steveg@thinclient.net> > wrote:
>> Yup, they keep pushing it Over the Borderline, but let's face it, in the
>> Hypervisor world Citrix is Like a Virgin….
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Greenberg
>>
>> Thin Client Computing
>>
>> 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
>>
>> Scottsdale, AZ 85266
>>
>> (602) 432-8649
>>
>>
www.thinclient.net <http://www.thinclient.net <http://www.thinclient.net> >
>>
>> steveg@thinclient.net <steveg@thinclient.net>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------
>>
>> From: thin-bounce@freelists.org <thin-bounce@freelists.org>
>> [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org <mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org> ] On
>> Behalf Of Jim Kenzig
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:08 PM
>> To: THIN
>> Subject: [THIN] Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" of Virtualization
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree!
>>
>> See
>>
>>
http://www.dabcc.com/article.aspx?id=7884
>> <http://www.dabcc.com/article.aspx?id=7884>
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you think?
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